Question:
Coming after the NKF saga, how does the arrest of Ren Ci head make you feel?
1970-01-01 00:00:00 UTC
Coming after the NKF saga, how does the arrest of Ren Ci head make you feel?
256 answers:
zack z
2008-07-14 23:44:04 UTC
I do not want to accuse anybody without the full investigation completed. However, as the saying goes, the tree would not have swayed if there is no wind blowing.



I feel that all VWOs should be auditted regularly, especially where financial transactions are concern. These audits from independent firm should cover all VWOs including the special schools and hospitals like RenCI.



I believed I have not made any donations to RenCi before, but i do feel for those who donated large amounts especially from companies and other foundations who believed in the organisation. If he is found guilty, then the confidence of donors will be shaken.
Dinosaur
2008-07-16 00:09:41 UTC
Ren Ci has been around for a while. Ask ourself...

until this report came about...

Some had donated money...

Some donated their time to help...

Some spent their life time in help....

But most of us here, talk about how it should have been...

Has anyone here ever stepped at the premise of Ren Ci Hospital before? See how it was run and their standard as compare to TTS or SGH? Can you achieve the same if asked to manage?

How many Auditors out there has ever offer their time to help run the organization?

How many Lawyers out there has ever offer their expertise to assist the running of the charity organization?

We all expect everyone and everything to be PERFECT, including so our "garment". Nothing wrong with that cause we built our society with the slogan of "MERITOCRACY".

But we all talk, gave little help... I got no time...

I am one of you, could have done better...
endaudr
2008-07-15 00:01:30 UTC
The heads of charitable organizations should be absolved of all wrong for they should be given the benifit of all doubt. Right and wrong are subjective situations depending on how a situation is percieved and presented ;and intent is important too.

One cannot rule out intent again in the eyes of the people finding fault and as such ,cases such as these should be tried on the grounds of "Natural Justice" and not like some silly communist " people's court ".
2008-07-14 23:30:08 UTC
Utterly disgrace to all buddhists and other religions who donated to this charity organisation
Azean
2008-07-16 19:36:32 UTC
nobody is perfect , he maybe the monk , but he still human.

he should be punish for what he has done. but hopefully it wont have effect on the organization , which i believe there are many working there sincerely and honest.
lestatetay
2008-07-16 13:49:35 UTC
i'll never ever donate to charity again...it seems like giving it to people who dun need help more than people who really need help!!! when i look at how much the expenditure is for NKF to run before the rest goes to needys, it is like giving someone 10 ice-creams to share,but he took 8 or 9 of them and gave only 1-2 of them to share! Look at the shows been put up. we are being prompted to make as many calls as possible to donate...but if you look at the fine prints, singtel is charging a fee for every calls they connected!!!



why is it that Singtel,being a big corp in singapore earning so much, taking advantage of the shows to earn even more??? i do not earn much, but i still do regular donations and i sincerely hope that at least 80-90%,if not,100% of my donation gets to the needy instead of anything less than 80%...i am sure everyone would agree...i still remember there was one Charity show asknig for donations, i donated 3 times $5 to the show(dun wanna mention the show name)...every $5 i donated,singtel charged me $0.50...do the maths, before the money got to charity, i am 'donating' $0.50 to singtel!!!
Cheong A
2008-07-15 23:19:18 UTC
so you see, still trust? trust yourself, high technology monk? chances and opportunity are given to them. More to expose then, just wait. To prevent? Charity Organisations to be trusted, no way! Government should take over it, as the government is able to do a better job , so no need chartiy organisation.
yellowhcl
2008-07-15 23:16:27 UTC
Guilty or not it's not up to us to decide. After all, the word transparency has always been a taboo in Singapore's society isn't it?



Why is it that everyone is making such a big hoo-haa over that sum of money with Ren-Ci and NKF while no one is actually questioning about the astronomical figures that GIC or CPF handles?



It's always the private organisations that gets exposed... and what about the millions of dollars DAILY (and still rising...) generated from the 65 ERPs gantries in Singapore goes to?



Be it charitable or non-profit organisations, such situations are bound to arise as long as "transparency" is not maintained. Transparency is what the rich and powerful make it to be.
Naren
2008-07-15 20:26:06 UTC
Innocent until proven guilty please. For those of you sreaming "bloody murder" and swearing never to support other charitable causes, you are indeed shallow.
royl_tan
2008-07-14 23:07:59 UTC
What happen has happened...so dun have to cry over spilt milk... Lately i hv seen alot of religious leaders having a very good n luxury life, driving Merc or better, staying in condominium and landed properties. But most of us stay in juz HDB, Is it becos we don't do silly stunts and act pathetic in front of the camera? Where their $$$ comes from? Is it from kind, trusting, generous people like us? Mingyi Pian Shi...U people chose to take our kindness for foolishness...

We juz wanna do some charity but y do all these organisation cheat people over & over again...? i think lets juz put an end to all "charity organisation" today. Climbing with ropes & securing yourself with a Body Harness and tears from your eyes don't make u an honest person... If u r so gutsy, y secure yourself with a Body Harness? Be more gutsy for CHARITY!

Once upon a time, monks only ask for donation of food and they walk around w/out shoes... i still can see monks in Thailand doing this tradition but i don't see any monks in SGP practicing this...Haha Monks in SGP very good life ya...still can be CEO, stay Condo, drive MERC or EVO... mayb next time they can each own a Lambo...

Did anyone seen last nite news on Mingyi making his way to the Sub Court? He still can smile...that means, in his mind he is saying to himself... "YO... Too late, people! Till now den u know ur $$$ kena makan" and also "After my jail term, i have the $$$ to buy a bunglow at Oei Tiong Ham Park or even Sentosa Cove! Hahahaha! People...Be kinder Next Time!hahahah".

Back to the facts... Real & Traditional Monks don't keep any facial hair, but look at how nice Mr Mingyi's eyebrow are trimmed...mayb he also has went for his regular facial, medi-pedicure and Spa sessions. All these personal indulgence came from kind people like us...Sighhhh... I m so sad and disappointed, at the same time disgraced over wat has happened.

I feel so sorry for all the ignorant TCS celebs & those of other asia countries... they hv wasted their time & effort, not forgetting their tears and sweat.

Mr Fashion Guru Monk Mingyi...my Panel of Jury hereby announce u GUILTY x 10, life imprisonment, confiscate all assets, your name will be deleted from the Board of Monks.

I urge this matter to annouced all over the world, so he can't go anywhere to cheat again... Lastly, Mr Fashion Guru Monk Mingyi, did u cheekily borrowed your "good" fren's obsene DVD to enjoy it with a Mojito?

I personally anticipate that he'll be happier after serving term, cos he can cease his appointment being a Monk... Can splurge his ill-gotten gains openly...Drive Lambo...Farang Girlfrens...going massage parlours, niteclubs, flirting with lolitas... its not personal lah...its all about Facts n Life...

Mr Mingyi...C u at St James soon...!
ジャンリン
2008-07-15 22:15:43 UTC
Well, 1st time to say when intial investigation started in Feb 2008 on Ren Ci hospital was disappointment and more disappointment.



Ming Yi Revered was one of the most respectable high key personel for raising funds for charity organisation. His original intention to help the needy and the poor was correct but was lured into desire during the process of helping the poor.



Whether is guilty or not, depends on Ming Yi Revered's heart and soul as he alone is anwerable to all the questionable truth about his honesty. Althrough the court can choose to throw the case out of court or set him guility, I say it is like crying over the spolit milk.



Misuse of funds or forgery should not be seen in charity orangisation anywhere in the world not just in Singapore but repeated cases reported in Singapore are diminishing Singaporean's kind heartness as one no longer trust charity organisations to donate.



I believe other than regular audit and closing to the guildlines for charity organisation, the board of meeting should be consist of the public if not, the government officals. (This is similar of corporate governess in listed companies.)



The statements of the accounts should be able to be accessed by all the members of public easily (Ren CI hospital did publish its statement of accounts but I believe it is not the full statement of accounts.)



Last personal opinion before I drew a close to my opinion is that members of the public should be more activly involved in charity organisation not in terms of momentary but rather in manpower.



Most charity organisation are still short on momentary as well as manpower to run their daily operations and end up hiring full time employees to do the works - which drew another important issues is the salaries of the high key personels working in charity organisation ie 80k "peanuts" salary that Duai T.T used to drawn during his time with NKF.



With that, I hope that I will not see another report on charity organisation saga (which is unlikely as greed habours desire) so that Singapore will feel that the momentary parked with chairty organisation are with safe hands.
2008-07-17 02:23:37 UTC
There was another NKF incident before this, and many people have already lost their trust on this fund raising company. Through the years, people have finally regained their trust, but now, this had to happen.



Well, I believe the head of Ren Ci hospital committed the crime due to a moment a folly. He wanted to help his friends, but he used the funds to do so - and it did not belong to him. He should not have done that. Maybe he has forgotten that the money does not belong to him (no matter what, he has been there for a long time, he might have been brainwashed?), hence he did all these.



I have no idea what we can do to prevent such situations in charitable organisations in Singapore, even the person we trust the most have done that, what about others?
hl_milk
2008-07-16 02:37:13 UTC
I believe there's quite a pool of S'poreans who hold Shi Ming Yi in high regards. To them, it could be utter disappointment when this incident happened. However, I'm not very surprised. Because to me, he looks more like a commercial figure than a devoted buddhist.



Anyway, I think he should be guilty for the minutes changing thingy(if it's true) at least. Well, the rest we'll see how it goes in court. (Can't imagine how the judge and lawyers going to react when Shi Ming Yi tries to answer them with his "holy" tone and actions.)



Basically, charitable organisations (chari. org.), like all other organisations(in different sectors) will start out small. With a good leader to push it forward, it will soon become bigger(obviously) but when one day if it's handed over to the wrong person. T.I. (That's It)



The worst person is the one who's taking over the "wrong person". He/She gonna start out small. Well, my recommendation is to come out with small events(within the organisation's compund) yearly which still can gain back the trust (at least) of generous donors, be it organisations or individuals. Then maybe back to the tv few years later, which is directed to commoners like me.



I personally think that there's any preventive action which is really effective against such situations. Firstly, "don't judge a book by its cover"(and maybe some contents). You will never know when the leader will change and turn the place topsy-turvy. Secondly, "if there's a will, there's a way". It applies to auditors who find all means to check and those dishonest people who try all means to hide. Lastly, this may fume up some people but I have to say this. It's just about the co-existence of the cheaters and the cheated.



I guess such incidents will just happen again, maybe 5 to 10 years later.



Reality --- No news = No life
tigerlily
2008-07-16 22:09:00 UTC
Necessary regular auditing will work in such situation.



The NKF Saga and the arrest of Ren Ci head made me ponder the integrity and values these organizations hold. Do they act according to the rules they set in the book? Obviously not, therefore the abuse. Why set rules when you don't follow any?



Charitable organizations wanted help, we showered them with donations. They needed support, therefore explains the volunteers and the hardworking media and media artistes to initiate more support by raising funds. But where did the hard earned money we donated go to? Into their big fat pockets? Now that's wrong.



Guilty or not, the law and order will decide. Now we all know who's the bad guy.
2008-07-15 07:11:42 UTC
The arrest really made me feel disappointed and awed. I mean, after the NKF arrest, wouldn't other organisations fear that they might be 'found out' too? Especially the person we are talking about is ming yi fa shi. Every year, he would perform dangerous stunts to help move people to donate more money for charity. As for whether he is guilty or not, no one can be sure until there is sufficient proof and ming yi fa shi admitted it himself. Until then, I'm going to stay neutral...



But if he really did that, I feel that it is human nature to succumb to greed. But I was shocked that he, a monk, actually succumb to his desire! Shouldn't a monk be well, humble? Not care for material gains, luxury etc? Definitely disappointed in him...



To prevent more cases from happening, I feel that the Singapore government should take more precautions. First, impose more fines and punish them more severely. In what way I do not really know, maybe serve a longer jail term?



Second, I feel that parents should take a part in training our country's future leaders. They should groom their children to have integrity, honest, and a moral mindset. By grooming them at a young age, it will be more deeply etched within them and this will reduce such cases from happening.
Neo M
2008-07-15 01:05:22 UTC
Personally, whether guilty a not, the damage has been done, trust has been eroded. As a head of such a big charitable organisation, Monk Shi Ming Yi should not allow himself to be in such an awakard position in the first place. I truly believed in zero tolerance for corruption in charity work. Simply because the concept of "charity" is one of the too few ideology today that shows human's goodside in our cruel and selfish world. To stained the "charity concept" with anything vice is simply unacceptable. From a personal perspective, after 2 such big cases in Singapore, my charity will only focus on actual physical help for the needys and never! a single cent of mine will go to those organisation. At least my physical work for the unfortunate can never be cheated away!
?
2008-07-15 08:01:43 UTC
Do I think he's guilty? I'm going to stay neutral until the final verdict. But when I read about it, the first feeling that came to me wasn't anger, but more like resignment. I believe that no matter what crops up, you shouldn't use other people's money to solve your own problems. Don't you know enough to keep your personal and office life separate?



Frequent audit checks please. Every cent has to be accounted for when it comes to a charitable organisation which runs primarily on public donations. I've never donated to any of the Ren Ci fundraising shows before, simply because I don't believe in giving my money to TV shows without very good reasons. I'd rather be a volunteer and help directly. That way I can be sure that whatever I'm doing is really helping these needy people.
kaipeng
2008-07-17 19:44:30 UTC
The arrest has lead doners to think seriously before any donation, this will definitely ineffect the amount of donation collected yearly. As for Ming Yi's culpabilty, public sholud not judge him till investigation is completed and verdict from court. Forgery and misuse of funds can be prevent if the organisation has a clear set of SOP in uses of Fund
Judy M
2008-07-16 20:00:45 UTC
Most of the answers here are indicative of the state of Singapore. They say more about the place than any agency can.Please observe the venom against someone who as yet has not been proven to be guilty.

Also observe the fact that these poor people want someone who can run a huge charity, have the ability of an international CEO, be qualified(an MBA or two?) and yet have the salary of a taxi driver.

Those days, if they ever existed, are gone. Even the commitment of politicians is bought by money these days.

Wake up Singapore- nobody does it for free!! Not you, not your government, not anybody. And please don't get upset

that you know nothing about your CPF money, or the GIC

earnings. Why would they tell you? You would not understand high finance anyway.

Just work and pay and learn to be lest critical of things you can do nothing about, and are not sufficiently gifted to know anything about.

If your government is so efficient and smart they would abolish all charities and pay the bill themselves (they have more than enough money to be able to do that), instead of wasting money propping up UBS (goodbye) and other failing banks. Or being fleeced by those even smarter than them.

First we had Mas Selamat, now this!

The very ordinary (and less well educated) people of Singapore keep the country going and are cheerful charitable souls, so that in the future the incoming migrants can inherit it from them. Work hard and don't complain so much.

This is Singapore not Australia, or the USA, where they all complain all the time (and nobody listens to them there either!).

I hope this monk is innocent of all charges against him.
kk6644k444
2008-07-15 16:14:59 UTC
Sad, very Sad ! the case in more serious than NKF . ( From the pass, when CAD take action, is mean true ! no body win case in court via CAD yet ) And Mr. Shi Ming Yi is MD from UK . one of the very few well and high education Singaporean Monk . i can only believe that he don't take any money or benefit for his own ! but some charges show is great offend , FALSE information should not don't from a religious leader ! ( i am sorry to said that right now) . for me ,from now onward, all Charities will only go direct to who need help ( money ) .maybe we should have one so call Ministries of Charities to take care all of this.one Minister fully responsibly for all this matter.( Thank to Mr.Shi Ming Yi for the pass , he really do allot for Ren-Ci ) Because LAW by LAW, Singapore Stan up ! every body here must follow LAW , do your think so ?
Selah
2008-07-16 23:25:44 UTC
Shi Ming Yi knows if he has done wrong and if he has let down the people who trusted in him and who were placed in his care.



A lie - even a white one - is still a lie. Had he been forthright about his actions and the way money is handled, he would not be charged.



I am glad the authorities are auditing the various charitable organizations as this acting, jointly with the uncovering of the NKF and Ren Ci cases, will deter others from trying to be funny with funds that are meant to help people and not meant for them to help themselves to.



With more transparency and both independent and government auditing results being made available, hopefully confidence and order will be restored.



The people who need the help most should not be penalised for the dishonesty of the leader of the charity whose umbrella they are standing under. Instead, we should give them even more help with upright people now being planted in their organisation to right the wrongs of the previous management. The donations will finally find their way to these people in need of help. This is the best time to give, not hold back our donations.
madabttravel
2008-07-16 18:10:49 UTC
After the NKF saga, i thought that finally there's this one & only one charitable organisation like Ren Ci that can be trusted - their charity show does not promise any prizes for the donors and I really believe in them truly.



But, when the news break out that the hospital head of Ren Ci is charged for the misuse of people's funds, i was really shocked ! No wonder they says "Nobody is Prefect". Wealth & greed can really mislead a religious & well-respected person. There is no righteous person after all.



When I saw the Ren Ci's charity show on the TV, I actually dropped tears many times. Now to think of it, maybe he is doing the stunts to repent for his sins.



I will not trust any charity organisation in term of money anymore but I will still lend my helping hands for any charity manual works anytime.



I believe that the govt should have sufficient proofs to charge Shi Ming Yi (not 1 but 10 charges, just imagine that), he must have done something wrong. This will be again another "laughing" issue to our neighbouring countries, especially one that is committed by a monk.
The Faithful
2008-07-15 23:30:51 UTC
It is unfortunate that Ven. Shi Ming Yi is caught up in this saga. Although Ven. Shi Ming Yi may have mishandled the matters concerned, I do not believe he is guilty of any crimes.



For all Buddhists, Ven. Shi Ming Yi possess a priceless treasure that few possessed. That is the robe of the Sangha that encompassed the Vinaya rules. I believe Ven. Shi Ming Yi value this treasure more than any other worldly treasures.



To an extend, the current saga is a conflict of cultures between a charity organisation (that had a simple beginning) and the strict rules of a regulatory body. Local charity groups has an unique culture and what had happened in Ren Ci is not uncommon in other charity groups. This is due to the limited resources (people and financially) and constraints faced by the charity groups.



We also need to consider the timings of these incidents. There was rapid changes in the rules governing charity following the NKF incident.



Although the implemented changes are good, local charity groups are caught trying to rectify the non compliances (in time). Some of these rectifying take time but unfortuntately time is not on the side of selected charity group(s). This lead to a misjudgement on the charity management to go for quickfix measures.



To help these charity groups, the regulatory body should consider giving them a one time reprieve. The reprieve measures could include a self declaration of non compliance(s) and a grace period for rectifications under supervision by the regulating body.This is to be fair and giving the deserving chairty group(s) a chance to make good. Otherwise, the charity group would be hard pressed to go for quickfix measures that could results in more troubles.



The charity group are trying their best to help those in needs and at the same time complying with the governing rules. It not a easy or straight forwards task. We should still support these deserving charity groups.
zpqi7
2008-07-17 23:02:22 UTC
Q: How does the arrest of Ren Ci head make you feel?

Betrayed- first impression. Second thought: Numbed. Not gonna do charity. I prefer hand out small cash amounts to those guys I see at the MRT w/o hands and legs. More realistic.



Q: Do you think he's guilty?

Not for me to judge



Q: What do you think should be done to prevent such situations in charitable organisations in Singapore?

Get ISO certified with proper auditing done.
?
2015-03-19 07:07:35 UTC
Frequent audit checks please. Every cent has to be accounted for when it comes to a charitable organisation which runs primarily on public donations. I've never donated to any of the Ren Ci fundraising shows before, simply because I don't believe in giving my money to TV shows without very good reasons. I'd rather be a volunteer and help directly. That way I can be sure that whatever I'm doing is really helping these needy people.
madeline
2008-07-16 07:37:28 UTC
Guilty yes of course. There are 10 charges against him, just one is enough for us to never believe the organisation again needless to say 10. There seems to be nothing that can prevent such situations. The NKF saga didn't seem to scare him enough to prevent him from doing such things so what else could be done?



To prevent such situations, I prefer to help those in need personally then donate the money to these organisations. By volunteering your help, you at least know you are helping those in need, even if you do hand them money, it will be for a good cause( at least the money is not processed by someone else who don't need it)



Following the NKF saga, I have learnt not to trust charitable organisations again.
Fat Cat
2008-07-16 02:51:10 UTC
It is good that the relevant government authorities are taking a closer look at how charitable organisations are run. These organisations may have good intentions but resources could well be mismanaged without a proper structure and accounting system in place.



Human beings are fallable no matter their position. We cannot assume people can or will keep to the straight and narrow because or perhaps especially if they are in a position of power, which makes abuse all the more easy.
?
2008-07-15 21:39:03 UTC
If the funds was used for the Monk's benefit then I would say he is guilty of the charges against him. If it was used for charity others well being not related to the monk then the whole issue have to be considered on a different angle not on the Criminal procedure Code . The law is simple in Singapore if someone is accused you have 4 or 5 persons as witness even you go for a trial you lose out.
2008-07-15 19:47:59 UTC
I think we should not miss the forest for the trees. If a person has done a wrong, the law will take of that person. But let us not be blindsided by the person and stop giving to charity. Do not forget the relatively massive GOOD that was done for Ren Ci Hospital, done by Ren Ci hospital. Ren Ci Hospital continues to do good - how many of you have gone there?- go there and then tell me that it does not serve a purpose. Do not stop doing charity because of one or some misguided individuals - there will never be any lack of misguided people. Look instead of the good that was done - the millions that had actually helped the people - go to REN CI - open your eyes and SEE for yourself.
choohc76
2008-07-15 18:56:23 UTC
The arrest of Ming Yi Fa Shi only demonstrates that he may have unskillfully committed something of wrongdoings. Nevertheless, is he being judged in the term of the Laws, or the Society, or himself? What I personally hope is the lesson he can learn or take away from this epsoide and react positively for the welfare of himself and the whole Society. As for the rest of us, it is our intrinsic nature to do good and not to ask or expect any return at all. This world will be a better place when we are more forgiving and compassionate towards ourselves and others.
mikeyaps
2008-07-15 03:09:22 UTC
I think he's guilty and he had betrayed the trust of those who donated generously to help the underprivileged and those in need .He abuse his authority as the head of Ren Ci and pocketed the money into his own company. No matter how much good he has done, one act of dishonesty is enough to wipe out all his effort.To prevent such situations in charitable organisations in Singapore, there should be an authority to check the accounts and auditing done every 6 months .
jazzgal
2008-07-18 06:45:33 UTC
I find that ever since the first incident over the cheating of funds in NKF, everybody should learn from the mistake done and never to repeat again. However, disasterous things happen just like how history repeats itself, Ren Ci begins another similar incident. At this rate, more and more people will find that their money seem to be useless as although it appeared to be donated to the charity, it actually is pocketed by someone else. The public will definitely loses faith in donating to charity organisations. This in turn creates a bad impact on another charity socities. Sure enough, Ming Yi should absolutely feel guilty due to a moment of greed, he landed himself in deep troubles. I think that in order to prevent such things from happening again, the charity organisation should report their doings to the government, ensuring that everything is in peace and order.
Lord Corp Bernie
2008-07-18 21:11:58 UTC
Most people have low resistance to the temptation of money. Being in the direct seat deciding how funds are being used can lead to misuse, abuse and classified as fraudalent.



In any charitable organisation, it will always be prudent that the fund raiser has no say on how the monies should be used. (Having an influence means directly channelling monies to your interest - ethics issue).

The executive committee who approves the use of these funds should have already in its by-laws laid down how the money should be used or allocated to those organisations in need. Should there be a need to channel funds for sudden epidemic eg earthquakes or tsunami, the committee should convene and get the votes required on how the funds are to be used. Members of this committee should contain some subject matter experts such as lawyers, accountants as well as those professions from private and public sectors.. teachers, engineers, ... people who have a chance to deal with the poor and needy.

All sub-contract works should have minimum 2 tenders and be reviewed again by this committee for approval. All such expenses/records of usage of funds shall be made available to the donors and fund raisers of this organisation.
AnneX
2008-07-15 20:41:08 UTC
Of course, he is guilty. He does not have the right to use public funds to invest on behalf of the hospital. It is not his own money to do what he wants with it. He may have started the hospital with good intentions but as we all know money is the root of all evil he has fallen in this trap because as he was in a powerful position as CEO of Ren Ci Hospital.. People in authority must watch out that they do not get into such situations and abuse the power and authority bestowed upon them to run an organisation. To prevent such situations, government audits should be conducted twice a year so that fraud can be prevented.
terrkia
2008-07-15 08:09:41 UTC
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." - John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902) said this in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887.



Any charitable organisation should not have thier CEO or top management unchecked.



These CEOs are capable people and they probably have helped hundreds of thousands of people. However cheating on donors' money is wrong, even using it in a way that is different from what they were donated for is also not right. It is as severe as cheating or stealing.



These organisations are handling MILLIONS of dollars from the public every year. I think they should be subject to more stringent supervision and reporting to an independant governing body, like what MAS does to the banks. There has to be full disclosue to how much money is collected and how they are being used.



There should also be audits done by external auditors appointed by the governing body and it should comprise of a group of different auditors from different audit firms that are rotated different organisations to ensure more thorough checking instead of the opposite due to familiarity.



I have stopped donating to NKF since the saga (not that I have given a lot to them though) but I have came across many individuals like me who have lost confidence in the organisation. Anyway with the lawsuit they should be getting some compensation plus the money they save from the previous directors' fee, they can afford to lose me as a small donor.



Having said that, not all charitable organisations are like that. I chanced upon KDF started by a group of doctors who wanted to help some kidney patients who cannot afford the subsdised monthly fees offered by another kidney oranisation and were left to die. The directors of KDF do not receive any directors' fees. I think that speaks a lot about the organisation, instead of those who receive a certain amount and report another figure.



Anyway, back to Lord Aton's quote in the first paragraph, history (not just in Singapore's charity arena) has shown that what he said centuries ago still holds true today. No power should go unchecked if we want to prevent corruption.
-JoEL-
2008-07-15 00:50:41 UTC
He's a real scum of the earth if he really is guilty of doing all that he is being charged for. Just because he did raise money for the needy doesn't give him the right to commit forgery and misuse the funds. Doing 10 good deeds doesn't give anyone the right to commit one mistake after that. Further more, people with status like his are expected to portray a morally upright behaviour. As a religious leader and as a chairman of a charitable organisation if found guilty, he'll tarnish not only his own reputation, but even affect the organisation, thus affecting the willingness of some people to donate to the organisation.
KT
2008-07-15 17:56:24 UTC
It's not up to me to think if he's guilty or not. But i don't think the authorities will make a arrest and press charges without substantial evidence.

I myself work in a VWO, and we undergo scrutinous auditing twice a year after the NKF saga. And if I remember correctly, this case came to light after the NKF saga as well. So i guess now the government's making more efforts that VWOs and charitable organisations are running appropriately.

I think the big hoo-ha over this case is because the main person involved is a monk, and he heads many charity organisations. This stirs up many emotions in people, because like it or not, we do carry some "expectations" towards religious figures. But let's face the facts. As long as one is not "enlightened", one is still prone to making mistakes. So I guess this incident is not just one lesson for the main person to learn, but a lesson for us to learn as well. Religious figures may not necessarily be spiritual, and spiritual people may not be religious. Let's not forget that.
GoldFinger
2008-07-15 07:35:42 UTC
I'm utterly disappointed with Venerable Ming Yi who was slapped with 10 charges.

I just cannot comprehend how can he as a monk, wearing a Buddhist robe and heading several Buddhist temples/causes commit such crimes.

Has he not get rid of the greed in his heart when he decided to turn to Buddhism and became a monk ?

I had great respect and admiration for his relentless effort in the past, raising funds for the charitable causes.



Perhaps, he like Durai, felt that they had built up 'his' charity organisation from scratch and 'owns' it and thus deserve to take a share of it even though the money comes from public donations.

Whatever that is going to happen to him, I hope he will learn from his painful lesson.
Koto3
2008-07-15 06:51:34 UTC
GUILTY without a doubt!!!



Hang the frigging bastard!!!



Saw it coming after TT Durai's saga. Press releases that 3 years jail term might be possible. In my opinion, 3 years jail term is way below my expectations..... and I will tell you why in the next paragraph!



If someone is charged for fraud and deceit, he is liable to be jailed a minimum of 6 mths, fined or both. Problem here is.... Our dear "MONK" has the whole of Singapore fooled... like our dear Mr Durai. Now you use 6 mths and multiply the amount of ppl that supported RenCi.... Dun you think he deserves more than 3 years?



As to what Singapore should do to prevent future occurrences, simple... Kill 1, Warn 100. Our Monk here on the headlines should be hanged. .



But seriously, our government has all the talents in their cabinet to think of good ideas. Leave it to the ministers to come out with a bright idea on how to manage such charitable organisations.



I am confident of the way the Singapore government handles such situation... They have demostrated their ability time and again on numerous occasions.



Cheers, Koto3
Red Devil
2008-07-15 05:37:11 UTC
It is a real shocking to see this Re ci head being arrested.I am so disguisted towards his way of handling people's donation.Even Mediacorp actors and actress risk their lives by doing stunts to raise money for the Ren Ci .Now what they are doing for..is they collecting money for the Ren Ci head and his managment to misue for their own interests.This is is very wrong.He even shed tears and even put his life at risk to climb the dangerous building.Is he putting an act to move people's heart and encourage them to donate as much as they can.



Thanks to him..people over Singapore lost faith in donating to the charities.According to source,the donations funds had decreased.



Pls do not let this happen over and over again otherwise disabled people will suffer further.
Watcher
2008-07-15 03:51:41 UTC
First of all, it just goes on to show human beings are fallen creatures. Probably his followers and donors to his organisation would be very disappointed. Religious leaders are not as reliable as they project themselves to be. We need to be objective and not just blindly follow their calls.



When it was published a few years back that he was earning 5 digits salary, I was puzzled why a monk needed such money when a monk should live a simple life. Now, I am more amazed why he wanted so much money ?



The money he cheated could feed all the extreme poor in Singapore for a good number of years to come.



I think we should applaud the government for courageously exposed such misconduct even though it involved a popular Buddhist leader.



True religious harmony can only come when the society is build upon law and order, of logical reasoning and of truth.



I am sure the government would put in place a good audit system to prevent such fraut.
Paul L
2008-07-15 23:39:52 UTC
Frankly, I feel disgusted and of course I think the so-called honourable monk, Shi Ming Yi is guilty to the core. Otherwise, why should he forge documents, etc..., to make use of the donated funds (your hard earn money).



In fact, I have always felt that by using the power of media to raise funds, such as organising stunt shows and telling sad stories to get donations from the public is unorthodox and it undermine the meaning and spirit of giving and sharing. Giving and Sharing must come from the heart and soul of the giver without any external factors playing on or affecting the decisions of giver.



Recruiting artists or a monk to perform stunts, and getting the underprivileged and/ or disabled person(s) to present themselves and their plight to the masses by using the power of the media to gain sympathy is wrong also. Let us not forget that the artist needs the exposure no matter what the show or event is. The repeated urges by the artists to the public and their fans to make that call to give a fixed amount of donation tagged to an SMS or call is just not right. Now, let’s ask ourselves, is the donor a fan supporting the artist or is the donor acting impulsively as a result for the wheedling of the artists?



In addition, the names of donors & organisations and the amount that they had pledged to donate are flashed across the television for all to see is also wrong. By doing so, the organisers have resorted to use "competitive edge" as a means to get some other people or organisations to donate just to compete or show-off to their adversaries.



Donating to charitable organisations is a good deed if one has the means. People must learn to give and share freely and as and when they feel that they have the means to give what little extras they have to help the underprivileged and not when their moods or feelings are affected by some shows or events. Let us asked ourselves, why do so many people donate during these so called charity shows and the amount of donations received during these types of shows/ events are phenomenal.



To make matters worst, donors had to pay for SMSes and/ or telephone calls to pledge their donations. Why not add the amount that one pays to the telecommunication companies to what one has decided to donate, wouldn’t that be giving a little more? Remember, a little bit here and there adds up to quite a large amount. Let us ponder how much money the Telco’s making when you people are giving.



Another gimmick the organisers used is by multiplying the number of donations tagged to a particular SMS no. I personally think that the reason for using this gimmick is to mislead some people who think that they are giving lets say S$5.00 plus what they have to pay to make the call or SMS but in actual fact they have pledge to donate S$5.00 x 3 or 5, etc… unknowingly.



My advice to all the kind people out there, please know who you are donating to, who is running that organisation, who is its treasurer, how are the donation spent? Asked yourself all these questions and if you know all the answer and are confident that your donations are being utilised for the needy then by all means donate. I mean look at that monk whom hundreds or maybe even thousands have trusted and held in high regard but now …., let’s wait and see.
whatthehell
2008-07-15 21:46:09 UTC
All this intelligent asshole thinks very carefully before they commit these "White" crime. To me, when Shi Ming Yi first appear in TV to do all the stunt, I already suspected that he is not a real "Monk". Now he is telling our nation that he did not have any personnal gain. "Bull ****". Shi Ming Yi is a highly educated and intelligent guy, and everyone knows that. So do you think he commited all these crime due to ignorance??? To me all these White crime "Suck". Look at the NKF, the mastermind only get few weeks of jail and later a free man. Anybody that goes into a 7/11 store and steal a candy gets a few months jail. At least all these Saga teaches me one good lesson. If you want to commit a crime, commit a "White Crime". As for Guilty or Innocent question>>>>>This is Singapore, if our System dare to charge him then he is 99% Guilty. To me 100% Guilty. As for the last question, there is nothing we can do to prevent these crime if all these Charitable organisation is done privately. However, we can try to prevent all these through one channel>>>Let the goverment do it. Why??? Many people will ask. My only answer is guts feeling because our PAP system is almost 100% corruption free. For those who supported Mr. Shi, don't worry be happy. Even if he is guilty, he will be out from jail in a couple of days and enjoy his status again. Why again??? No more time le, GTG BB. Any spelling mistake please forgive me don't sue me. Takecare everybody!!!
YK
2008-07-15 19:56:26 UTC
It is very dissapointing to note of yet another major case in the making. Press reports made by the lawyers suggest that it is not for personal gain. Personal gain or otherwise is not an excuse when it involves public monies. It is similar to have a jacket with multiple pockets it still belongs to the same jacket. Funds derived from public donation must stay within its objective and any impending "investments" must be first reported to the authorities to enable monitoring and scrutiny as in the case of the SGX requiring public listed companies to declare their undertakings.If this is not made accountable and another one or two major cases such as this is definately going to have a serious knock on effect.
Singapore Citizenship for $1
2008-07-15 06:30:23 UTC
I think the vunerable Shi should be old enough and "true" enough to know what he should or should not do.Unless you are related to the ministers, nobody is above the law.



So if he is found guilty, then he is guilty.



What is there to do to prevent all these? It is all in the humans that run the organisation / "show". If they are just with a pure heart, you don't really need any laws in the very first place do you now?
Chris G
2008-07-15 02:36:36 UTC
It truly saddens me when people cover themselves with a facade of religious holiness and are subsequently publicly caught having abused the general public's trust. The consequent impact on other charitable causes that are honest is incalculable as the negative publicity dries up donations and volunteers.



Religion itself doesnt come into play as have been proven by Catholic priests who turn out to be paedophiles, Hindu holy men who turn out to be charlatans, Muslim Imams that turn out to be self appointed and the like.



In the same way, there have been numerous examples of misplaced trust in public figures in the political arena - we all remember all too vividly the US president caught with his pants down and the female intern with the stained skirt. OR the NY governor who was a crusader of morals on Wall Street. This part of the world too has also had more than its fair share of corrupted ministers and flawed leaders.



Unfortunately, there is a long line of hypocrites (religious or otherwise) that have been very publicly exposed, and I'm sure that the "venerable" Shi Ming Yi, will not be the last ......
Tuna-San
2008-07-15 01:47:41 UTC
Charity is all about trust. I guess that at the regulator level (the registrar of charities), their responsibility is to ensure that monies are properly used, and if they are not, to find out and investigate, and arrest and charge people where anomalies are found.



Which is what is already happening, so to me, the system works. Even if its a reactive system, I think that this is a justifiable situation. If the system was proactive, then a lot of charity work would not be done simply because there would be too many obstacles for establishing an often necessary and urgent type of work.
richleo21
2008-07-15 01:33:58 UTC
What diff does it make if he was trying to use the money to do other good cause. It is still cheating! And this hurts.



The government must get serious with this now. Every Organisation have to do audit checks yearly. I wonder why the government is not asking such audit checks to be carried out in these Charitable Organisations?
2014-06-28 18:25:54 UTC
Recruiting artists or a monk to perform stunts, and getting the underprivileged and/ or disabled person(s) to present themselves and their plight to the masses by using the power of the media to gain sympathy is wrong also. Let us not forget that the artist needs the exposure no matter what the show or event is. The repeated urges by the artists to the public and their fans to make that call to give a fixed amount of donation tagged to an SMS or call is just not right. Now, let’s ask ourselves, is the donor a fan supporting the artist or is the donor acting impulsively as a result for the wheedling of the artists?
Juliet
2015-01-28 02:52:03 UTC
Well, I believe the head of Ren Ci hospital committed the crime due to a moment a folly. He wanted to help his friends, but he used the funds to do so - and it did not belong to him. He should not have done that. Maybe he has forgotten that the money does not belong to him (no matter what, he has been there for a long time, he might have been brainwashed?), hence he did all these.
leiyu82
2008-07-15 21:31:28 UTC
Of Course he is guilty, because put it this way that the fund he misused is the hard earn money from every donors in singapore or even overseas and he totally bretray the trust that we had given him especially when he is a highly educated personel Monk. It is proven!! Money leads to greed with this kind of society. Most Sporean always penalised ppls from other countries, Now look at this 2 incident happens throughout the last 2 year, whats so great about Spore citizen themselve? It is always an issue that how do we prevent Human's greed by nature when this is a pressurised and fast pace society. what i think is maybe we should put somone who is a multi millionare to be in charge.
MTZC
2008-07-15 18:17:33 UTC
He might be guilty under the eyes of law. However, we should not jump to conclusion that he is guilty before trial. What i really wanted to know is the motive(s) behind all his deeds. Was he out to help a person in need of $$ but using the wrong means or was he indeed, driven by greed. Singapore Government should put in place regulations to ensure more transparency on monetary matters for all charitable organizations and all Places of worship (temples, churches, mosques).
Maya R
2008-07-15 01:54:07 UTC
It is a curious development indeed. In the NKF saga, a man who raised almost $100million a year for kidney patients, and who probably saved the lives of many was accused of a lavish lifestyle because of a golden tap (that did not exist, because the contractor had removed it on orders of the head of the NKF).

After exhaustive audits by KPMG and others, not a cent was actually missing! He was finally convicted for giving twenty thousand to someone who had done much more in terms of actual work for the NKF. But as an irregularity was inferred he was found guilty. Again no money came to him.

This saga so upset some in Singapore that he was given a million dollars by a fellow Singaporean. Would you do the same for someone who was actually guilty of stealing?

The sad truth is that individuals who are "powerful" through

their good works are perceived as threats to the prevailing

power elite. So they are brought down. (surprising that they did not use the sodomy charge so popular these days when trying to frame others!)

Singapore Inc. makes so much money that all medical costs of its elderly citizens, cancer children, and help for less well off folks and the NKF and Ren Ci, could be paid for easily by the State. If only they were as charitable as

the average Singaporean.

An old lady I know on very a limited income ($400pm) gives away sixty dollars every month to a neighbour who cares for a disabled relative.

I challenge you to do the same!
ec
2008-07-16 03:08:42 UTC
even after all this has happened, I sincerely believe Ven. Ming Yi to be innocent. Many of you have pointed out that the charges made were not for personal gains, unlike the NKF fiasco (including the building of a gold plated toilet). Here we have a man who has renounced the material world and taken on the path of the monk -- for that itself we need to respect him. Ven. Ming Yi is from the Raffles Instituition, if he personal gains or profits were at the back of his mind he would never become a monk in the first place.



there is a lot of hype surrounding this incident over the media, including that of a staff at renci owning pornography tapes, which i find no reason to be enmeshed together with this report, as if to purely bespatter the reputation of Ren Ci. for all I know, close your eyes throw a stone outside a HDB block and you will probably hit a guy who has owned pornographic tapes.



Let's not be quick to judge and allow the Venerable to properly defend himself in this case. From the many stunts he did just to raise funds for the charity, and to the tears that he shed live on national tv appealing to the compassinate side in us, I sincerely believe that these are not crocodile tears, these are tears from his heart. And I know many of us believe in the innate goodness of Venerable Ming Yi and will continue to standby him and still vigorously support the charity.



I do not believe that Ven. Mingyi is one who drives flashy Mercedes, owns expensive jewellery or big houses.



Even Jesus said, do not judge or you shall be judged, through the very yardstick that we use to judge others. Let us not be quick to condemn Ren Ci, let us not waiver in our compassion, let us continue to keep supporting and helping the unfortunate in society. There could perhaps just be a deficiency in the matnner by which they handle their accounts, I still sincerely believe in the innate goodness of this man and the charity.
2008-07-16 01:00:32 UTC
Honestly the arrest and uncover of other reputable figure in the charity organisation had shaken my confidence towards the joy of giving.



likewise i suppose the same for the majority of the people.



the Truth might be hurting to many if he is found to be guilty.



Sg need to place in place a better of regulating system for all charities to prevent re-occurrence.



Having said that, i hope people can still continue to give generously to the poor and needy. after all, there are really a lot of needy people around.
Miyuki
2008-07-15 20:36:41 UTC
Well I think in the beginning he did started out with a good intention for the poor and helpless patients. Eventually with all these TV fund raising events and promotions, just like NKF, where millions of dollars are being raised, one could not resist the temptation to use the money as I believe with the huge amount of money raised, there should still be balances after deducting all the expenses.

When I was flying, I saw and heard very frequently of monks travelling in First class, carrying LV bags, using mont blanc pens. Shouldn't these people see all materialistic things 'lightly'? Even though these might be priviledges given to them, should they not have just travel in economy, use a normal bag and pen and give the balance of the money to their charity organization/ temples?

Maybe what should be done is to have stringent audit checks, maybe 2x a year as compare to pte ltd ot ltd company(once a yr)? The government should also emphazie the stringent checks and impose a penalty on the auditing companies to make these companies take auditing accounts more seriously. All above are just my humble opinions. I am not against any religion.
sgwhale
2008-07-15 12:18:56 UTC
Everyone is presumed innocent till found guilty by the court of law. Like all others, Venerable Shi will be given the opportunity to present his side of the story to the court. Till then, we should not cast final judgement prematurely.



Similarly we should not compare Venerable Shi with Durai in the same light. Durai was found guilty of abusing the corporate financial system for personal gains. NKF (during Durai's term of office) is a sad story of excess at the detriment of the very people it sought to serve. I choose to respect the leadership & determination of Venerable Shi in leading Ren Ci to provide health-care services to the poor & sick. He dared to perform stunts to raise funds and that is something commendable.



While it is discouraging to hear of such situation happening, let us look ahead and explore jointly the ways to boost better corporate governance, tighter financial controls and donor's confidence. Personally I would like to see more active personnel to manage (as opposed to having all power vested in an individual), independent 3rd party audits and overview by the authorities. The last thing we want is to see the very people needing the care & support being penalized for any indiscretions.



Peace to All.
2014-10-31 15:43:55 UTC
Whether is guilty or not, depends on Ming Yi Revered's heart and soul as he alone is anwerable to all the questionable truth about his honesty. Althrough the court can choose to throw the case out of court or set him guility, I say it is like crying over the spolit milk.



Misuse of funds or forgery should not be seen in charity orangisation anywhere in the world not just in Singapore but repeated cases reported in Singapore are diminishing Singaporean's kind heartness as one no longer trust charity organisations to donate.



I believe other than regular audit and closing to the guildlines for charity organisation, the board of meeting should be consist of the public if not, the government
2008-07-18 10:48:53 UTC
it's sad to see the second time such things happened in charitable organisation. Ren Ci will only be guilty if he is found guilty in court.



but i still strongly believe we should still help the needy and poor no matter what had happened in the organisation..... even if the organisation is handled by the government, it doesn't mean it won't happened again...



it's human greed after all!
LittleGhost
2008-07-16 09:24:02 UTC
Need some authority to monitor all Hospital that does Charity to track where every single cents goes to???



Actually there are not really a solution that can give 100% prevention to it.



when large amount of money is in someone hand, it's possible they will eventually turn evil and won't even know what they are do is right or wrong. Even money that is in a monk hands, thing will still go bad.
2008-07-15 18:56:35 UTC
I am worry at the same time very scared as all the charity go to the hand of the people in that big room in future if anything goes wrong who know. It will be better for Ren Ci to choose their own chair person.
4
2008-07-15 13:37:38 UTC
there are always good people and bad people same go to Singapore Government, there are always good Singapore Governments and there are always bad Singapore Governments, therefore, there is no such thing called a totally good pple or 100% good governments! as LKY spoke of before, I imao of it!



anyways i still donate when i can afford to donate but think and see before i donate. just like today's incident at my flat, a indian with no job got the luxuries of drinking wine and smoking ciggrette yet begging a dollar from me? See, how bad is today pple's characteristic right now in Singapore! haha...And me everydays struggle like F to meet both ends in the end, i still no enough to meet it all! Ironically yeah? what a life of these pple with no jobs yet got cash to survive with wine and ciggrette. haha Luckily i am no longer a dumb dumb liao!



Hey folks! I know he's bad but give him another chance! Come on, we are Singaporean! Also, DO NOT discount his good side of CREDIT too, ok???Come on Singaporeans, Power and Money corrupt everyone, that is no doubt about it! Only a one a blue moon moron could resist such a darkforces in life! Perhap only me I guess! LOL! Second Chance! Cos everyone needs a Second Chance in Life!



Urge all Singaporeans to forgive and give a Second Chance! U never know what go around come around in between our life. hahaha....Whose know, yeah? I may be the one who will be asking to be forgiven by U all! Cheers folks! Dun have to be so harsh on ourselves as a Singaporean! We all make mistakes, correct it and carry on! no big deal, men! unless it is a unforgivenable crimes, then i no say lah! e.g. like destroying a man's future or some serious crime like killing or murder etc lah.



Helping, charity make a person feel great! :))
Ethan
2008-07-15 11:58:29 UTC
Well, seem like after this unfortunate incident, we have to start questioning ourselves all over again - where is my contributions to charity going to? As if the incident involving the NKF hasn't taken a toll on our confidence in local charities. Be it he's guilty or not, confidence has been shaken yet again and i have come to believe, even the most cultivated of people can potentially fall into the temptations of life. With that, prevention of similar cases wise, i leave it to the authorities to think of a solution. Still we have to look back on his contributions to the needy so far, not to bad a job done, i guess. But look on the bright side, at least he doesn't have gold bathroom fixtures. Then again, we have no idea.....
Crypton
2008-07-15 09:55:09 UTC
How does this arrest make me feel? Well, that shows that well known priest, Joachin kang, well known monk, Shi Ming Yi that potrayed in the public eyes as religious, trusted, respectful but yet can't resist the temptation of MONEY....greed. These people whom had attained such high level of religious teachings and using their positions to commit such scheme to decieve and cheat the believers, is a total disgrace. Would u believe in religions, preaching about rightfulness? I felt that it is all in oneself to know what is right or wrong.
Lynx
2008-07-15 05:09:47 UTC
1st it was father Joachim Kang (if I remembered the name correctly). Now the famous monk from Ren Ci. There may be more to come.



I won't be surprised if he's guilty. Everyone has skeletons in their closets. After NKF saga, stricter measures have been implemented to deter such crime. Transparency is very important, and bodies have to step in to audit and monitor charity groups. I believe the goverment will continue to review & fine tune the regulations on how charity groups are managed. Meanwhile, continue to donate as it's a blessing to give & help others. The innocent beneficiaries shouldn't be the victims of these crooks.



The love of money is root of all evil. Even the rich and spiritual leaders can't resist. They are human after all, just like us, made of flesh & blood, with feelings, & subjected to temptations.
2008-07-15 00:44:45 UTC
I have not donated $$$ to any charity organisation since i join a certain major organisation (6 years ago) which have and are now still working with other locally well known charity organisation.

I have seen some things which totally turn me off and decide to quit. Instead of giving them a chance to misuse my hard earn cash, i now donate blood to the goverment hospital on a regular basis which i feel is more pratical.

Money will forever be a sensitive issue

"Talk about money, hurt feelings"
2016-03-17 06:24:58 UTC
If you actually look up the cross reference to the scripture at John 18: 6 you will notice it points to John 7:46 where it states "The officers replied: “Never has [another] man spoken like this.” They knew he was the "Christ" which is Greek for Messiah. It says nothing about Him being God. Along similar lines, we could read Philippians 2:9, where the apostle Paul describes what God did after Jesus died and was resurrected. The verse says: "God exalted him [Jesus] to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every other name." If Jesus was God or equal to God before he died and God later exalted him to a higher position, would that not put Jesus above God? Yet how could anyone become superior to God? And if he was God before he died, how can God die? There is no "mystery" here. Jesus is the Son of God. Also, God always referred to Jesus as his son, and Jesus always referred to God as his father, showing that God was older and had more authority. He also said that he came to do God's will and not his own, showing two wills; his father and his. Two separate wills. If you want to go on believing that God has three heads, then you must have three too, since you were created in his image!
paradoxicalbrother
2008-07-15 20:44:12 UTC
It re-enforce the fact that we are all guilty of many things whether that according to the laws of man or the laws of God. The only difference between the monk Ming Yi and us is that he is exposed and we are not. We are no different.

We are capable of many good and we are also capable of many bad. Such is the paradox of men.
meow
2008-07-15 08:29:25 UTC
Guys u got to Know that Ming Yi Shi Fu did not pocket any of the money and u got to remember that ren ci hospital is a full Free of Charge hospital where patients do not need to pay a cent to stay there and get treated



U guys got to also remember that the staff got family and need to get paid too, they also need to feed their family, u cannot expect them to do it Free of charge do u



Also you all have to know that this is different from Durai case. Ming Yi Shi Fu do not have golden water taps or diamond studded toilet seats or whatever riduculous items in his office or at the hospital. What he have just a simple office and a hospital where patient can recover and get well



DO NOT sterotype Durai and Ming Yi Shi Fu



Also Running a Fully FOC hospital Need massive amount of money to maintain it and it is not easy to maintain a FOC hospital



Plus if Ming Yi Shi Fu is not compassionate to his patients he would not have done so many high risk stunts in-order to rise money for the hospital. Do u ever See Durai Do high RISK stunts to raise money for NKF??? All those doing Stunts are our very Own celebtity
2014-06-26 19:40:07 UTC
Donating to charitable organisations is a good deed if one has the means. People must learn to give and share freely and as and when they feel that they have the means to give what little extras they have to help the underprivileged and not when their moods or feelings are affected by some shows or events. Let us asked ourselves, why do so many people donate during these so called charity shows and the amount of donations received during these types of shows/ events are phenomenal.
2008-07-16 02:28:40 UTC
I don't think it's a shame to all buddhists or any of the religion. just like how a few terrorists are muslims doesnt make all muslims terrorists.



I really think that in many aspects he did better (much) than Durai. At least he doesn't look irritating and he puts his body on the line.



And I think he has managed to gathered in more donations for the needy (everyone needs $ if u get what i mean, even monks).



Let's wait for the development of this case. exciting xia...
Princessy
2008-07-15 23:39:38 UTC
it is hard to imagine that anyone can be accused as such... and being a religious leader, i felt that he was supposed to have felt "closer" to god and should have known that misusing of funds is an offence. He was trusted and chosen to "take care" of the people and lead the people. If he is not guilty, hopefully it will come to light soon. But if he is guilty as stated in the papers... Hopefully, the future monks please dont take us for fools... we really are sincerely helping out the poor like you guys do... maybe we dont have the energy, that is why the money... But these money are from our hardwork... Please pity us too....
calvin k
2008-07-15 19:26:52 UTC
it doesn't matter to me now if he's guilty or not because i'm utterly disappointed in him and the issues he's involved in now. as a Buddhist myself, pardon me if my views are wrong, but i deeply feel that Buddhist monks and nuns should never be involved in monetary affairs. charitable organisations, hospitals, schools and etc, let the lay Buddhists deal with these. Buddhist monks and nuns can be appointed as spiritual advisors or consultants of the Board. why would want they want to become CEOs, presidents and such? so that they can have monthly paycheck of 5 digits or even more? i'm not saying setting up charitable organisations is no good. but why would these people want to become Buddhist monks and nuns in the first place? what were their initial aspirations? i have no idea what is happening to the precepts meant for the Sangha community to observed. i still prefer the ancient tradition for Sangha members to be kept: the almsbowl is meant for food only, nothing else.
miura
2008-07-15 06:13:24 UTC
I think he really is guilty. And to my surprise.. 10 charges??? I think after this, very very few charitable organisations can be trusted already. This incident will deter Singaporeans from donating to such charity drives in the future. To think that our celebrities actually worked so hard to raise funds, yet these funds are mis-used again. This monk should have known this coming after the TT Durai incident... What a shame!!! To think that a monk is actually doing this.
John
2008-07-15 05:10:13 UTC
YES he is guilty.

checks should be made very precisely and properly as to how a charitable organisation runs.

aint there an independent audit?

i think the government shld set up audit groups which randomly checks on different companies and organisations. though the group would involve many many personnel, it would be for the better at the end of the day.

people commanding high posts in their workplace must know the image they bring out to the rest of the citizens or the people in the world. for example, in this case, the head Shi Ming Yi has brought tremendous shame upon people of his religion. stronger punishments must be bestowed upon such CRIMINALS.
2008-07-15 03:30:14 UTC
It's bad, now how to trust all this organisation .. Who will want to donate to the poor and needy. NKF now the monk man I wonder who is next to jump on the gang wagon for Free money.. In the pretext of charity.. I think the penalty for these guys must be given heavily. NFK guy just got 3 months jail and some fine.. and that's it.. More should be given for such dishonesty act especially coming from a monk who should be an example or role model. If he is found guilty the authorities should deal with him heavily and don't spare him make him an example so that no more of this happen again..
2008-07-18 06:57:11 UTC
If he has the authority to access the charity's funds at will for any reason, then the temptation to abuse that authority will be extremely great. The pull of greed is too strong especially when a person is in charge of handling many many millions of dollars.



There should be a board to handle the money so that there is more accountability.
lavender6003
2008-07-18 03:31:27 UTC
It makes me feel good. Religous or not, men like the catholic priest, Fr Joachim Kang are after all men. But more is expected of them as religous persons.

If they are guilty, like anyone else they should face the hand fo the law.

I do believe many more such crimes exist. These are only tips of the iceberg.

Only time and diligence will tell.

I will surely be more careful in future about giving money to charities.
2008-07-15 19:36:27 UTC
This response is not to criticize anyone. A dilemna between worldly versus spiritual cultivation?

I feel that monks should not be put in a difficult position, such as in worldly, and financially related matters for them to cultivate effectively. Layman practitioners are to follow the values of the Mangala Sutta and 5 precepts in their right livelihood.
kinman83 l
2008-07-15 17:57:37 UTC
Based on reports received so far, he is guilty of wrong doing and negligence. The authorities have enough evidence to convict him. I feel sorry for him because he was most likely been wrongly advised by certain associates or council members. It is good to know that there are in place now rules governing charitable organisations. I will feel comfortable donating my hard earned monies to them.
2008-07-15 05:58:07 UTC
That's why I don't donate. They are misusing the funds. One after one. Firstly NKF, now REN CI. What's next ? It's time to check all accounts of all charitable organisations in Singapore. It's so dissapointing..
2008-07-15 05:57:36 UTC
Ans to Q1 - Woke up e dozing in me....felt sad about his arrest, not the waking up part. It is a solemn reminder that anyone can fall.....lack of accountability makes it easier for one to be tempted.



Ans to Q2 - I hope he is not guilty but so far, the authorities seldom charge anyone unless there are enough evidence(s)to do so. I hope there are very good mitigating reasons for the friendly loans extended to the companies that are all linked to him amounting to millions of donors' hard-earned monies....all donated in the name of charity for specific purposes.



Ans to Q3 - Regular and surprise audit checks should be done thoroughly. May be good to change the external audit firm annually as familiarity can lead to complacency as well as dulling the senses of "checkers" per se. Still, if there is intention on the part of some people to commit mischief with the funds flying into "unknown or unauthorised areas", it will take really dedicated eyes to spot those discrepancies.



Ultimately, the best system in place will fail when there are no vigilant "policing"....unfortunately, it is human nature to "slacken" in areas where nobody checks or ensure compliance. Hence, it is a matter of time, at a moment of one's weakness, to yield to temptations and a mistake is done.
richardjang
2008-07-15 05:46:44 UTC
The audited accounts of the charity should be made available for public access. Public should be made more aware on how the donation are use. We cannot depend on the staff nor neither the directors of the charity association. The rich and famous are again using the public funds to get richer. The average Singaporeans donate out of compassion. The rich Singaporeans donate for evading tax and for popularity.
eTour Singapore
2008-07-15 04:20:28 UTC
This is definitely a terrible blow to charitable organisations in Singapore. Regardless of whether the abbott is guilty or not, the seeds of doubt sown by the NKF incident have now been full blown by this latest round of investigations.



I think all the charitable groups should from now on show proof of their check and balance process before they are allowed to raise any more funds.
heather
2008-07-15 03:05:25 UTC
The public mistrust in the charitable organisations will be even greater now. It is a mistrust of not just money but the emotional pity we had given to these people. First, it is the NKF, then the Youth Challenge and now Ren Ci. I used to donate and participate actively in particular the flag days on weekends. Nowadays, I just shun them. The charities here should be subject to annual audits and their expenses disclosed to the public.
Summ B
2008-07-15 01:08:51 UTC
unbelivable .. but what was done can't be undone now. Guilty or not? unable to give judgment by us. Any wholesome thoughts bear fruits and vice verse. If one performs evil ; one will be tomented mentally even though he proved to be not guilty; Ven may misuse funds but we don't know the intents which is very impt. Preventation: performs periodical and at random checking / auditing by govt bodies. There should be a pool of expertise trained to perform these checks
bearrrrr
2008-07-15 21:28:02 UTC
It just make me wonder how many of the same kind is out there, preying on the kindness and charity of Singaporeans, without blinking their eyes?



First is NKF, now Ren Ci. I won't be surprised if there are more to come. I think the only prevention is to educate administrators of Charitable organisations about corporate governance and the social responsibility they shouldered.
korn7ryan
2008-07-15 05:23:07 UTC
I felt that this case is worse than the NKF case. Being a monk, he should be a honest person which people look upon. Instead, he chose to use people's trust to commit forgery and misuse of funds. What does a monk need so much money for? I hope to see the truth unveil and the guilty ones punished.
That's not my name
2008-07-15 02:46:51 UTC
Imagine if the top people in a charitable society could mistrust funds. There are no stopping for other public companies to follow suit.



How sad is this when they seek the public for donation while the top management siphon off funds.
myhorsalwayswins
2008-07-15 02:35:23 UTC
It sure a shock news to me...i thought it was just "suspect of misuse of funds".

Ver. should know the karmic effect is so great for using public funds for personnel use, but I think he had his own reason....



I fully support this line wrote by Maya R:

:Singapore Inc. makes so much money that all medical costs of its elderly citizens, cancer children, and help for less well off folks and the NKF and Ren Ci, could be paid for easily by the State. If only they were as charitable as

the average Singaporean.



Since start of the "Golden Tap" case I have tell myself:

Singapore Inc should be the one supply the money to charity and not average Singapoorean like us...notice the word: SingaPOORean?

Let them handle, to me charity should be carry by the State and not individual, Unless in a volentary basis.
babymines
2008-07-16 02:16:26 UTC
it's indeed a very sad thing.. a monk is supposed to be holy or rather spiritually and not get involved in monetary issues which affects other organisation and leads to public distrusts in such activities......so monks, abbots, pastors, etc......out there. Pls.. if you do not have the ability to lead just do what you are supposed to do at the end of the day.
Asia
2008-07-15 23:17:07 UTC
Charity is a profitable business. How many needy people actually benefitted from it? How much are the funds being maximised?

The people who managed the funds must have high integrity.

How many human beings out there dare to admit that they did it out of the moment of greed?

Recall a pastor also misuse church funds and he was forgiven by some of his church members?

During disaster, a lot of resources from around the world were sent to affected countries. How has the government or its officials manage the resources? Look at Indonesia during Tsunami, Myanmar during the recent typhoon, China during the recent major earthquake.
Sam O
2008-07-15 21:43:01 UTC
First, NKF. Now, Ren Ci. Wonder what will come next... But one thing for sure, all these dark images will stay inside us for a long time. And this will make me double consider if my charity contributions i made before is worth.

Do you think he is guilty ? Although he has done many good deeds before, but one bad deed is enough to be condemned.

What to do to prevent ? Audit must be done at least half-yearly to make all money contributed are spent wisely to help the needed. Generally, the money does still belong to the public. And the public has the right to know what expenditure has the organisation carried out.
Patrick Leong
2008-07-15 17:22:51 UTC
Since the Venerable has renounced this "Material World", he should not have got involved in the financial transaction of Ren Ci Hospice & Care - he could have appointed someone else for the job. It is easy for any human to get tempted with huge amount of money - Thanks to the generous donations from the public.
firefly
2008-07-15 05:48:07 UTC
think sometimes the CEO held too much power that they started abusing them and hookwind the entire board, one man decision without consulting the board. The board should be there to constantly check on the CEO to ensure shareholder's interest, in this case, it is the donors who are the shareholders since they contributed the funds. So whether it is the a charitable orgn or not, there has to be a certain checks for large orgn like this handling millions in public funds.
Chrisopher Y
2008-07-18 19:25:23 UTC
We all have seen the arrest of big charity CEOs and yes this is disgusting. But do bare in mind that this is only ONE individual out of the thousands and thousands who needed help.



I do not have any affliation to any of these organisation but donated to them everytime we call for donation. But do remember, why we donate in the first place. Not to win big condos (yes, that is history).. but to help, not those CEO but the individuals who needed our help monetary or otherwise. Yes, funds get misappropriated, people get arrested. What this simply means is that we have a sound system that catches individuals who foils the law. Let's not lose sight of the BIG picture.



Let uncle SAM do his job and we do ours! Be a good neighour.
2008-07-17 08:06:18 UTC
i think he should be guilty, i feel so disappointed, him being a monk actually did such a thing, i believe it the temptation of money,



i think we should make the whole donation whereabouts VERY transparent, like till every cent, whole of Singapore can see where it goes to, this may work because out gov is transparent too, which is a good example
spiderhunter
2008-07-16 02:03:11 UTC
Guilty or not guilty is not for us to decide. What is very clear is the authority has got proof of his wrong doing and has charged him in a court of law.

How can forgery and misuse of funds be for a "legitimate cause"...????

I hate it when they work on our emotions to make us donate and then use our hard earned money for their "legitimate cause".
lohyks
2008-07-15 19:54:25 UTC
One must account for one's doings be it rite or wrong. No one is abv the law. We can't offset his good deeds 4 the bad ones. All the donations collected 4 the purpose of helping the community at large belong to the public and are not personal gains or assets. Maybe his heart has overruled his head and thus he no longer see nor follow the correct path he was once on.
simon
2008-07-15 09:48:33 UTC
It makes you feel the phrase "don't judge a person by his or her appearance " is true. I think he should be guilty in some way, the police in Singapore don't arrest people for no reason. I think there should be a government official situated in each of these charity organisations to monitor them more closely.
Pisces
2008-07-15 08:38:25 UTC
To open up a few bottles of worms would be a courageous start to cleaning up the charity orgainisations. Greed leads to Guilt is the basis for such acts. Are we being fooled again by a person that holds the people's sympathetic feeling in contributing to his personal gains?
rogan_sp
2008-07-15 07:47:19 UTC
The investigations are just starting. We should allow for Ming Yi to defend himself. It is quite sad that yet another charitable organisation is under probe. It makes one think twice about donating to these type of organisations.

I am puzzled as to why charitable organisation were not previously audited? I hope with proper auditing by external audit firms assigned by gov office would help address these problems.
dthh79
2008-07-15 03:54:59 UTC
I think the best way is to help the poor n needy direct den to go thru all this so called charitable organisation, they seems to abuse the funds collected by public hence i find the best way is we help the needy directly as volunteers or other ways but not thru this organisation
Smile !
2008-07-16 06:47:09 UTC
So far, it has not been established that he did all this to enjoy caviar, fly first class, stay 7-star hotels, whatever...



cannot possible buy an old horse from The Saddle Club to let him travel around in Singapore, correct or not? He will get booked by traffic police for riding horse on highway...



he is still human, remember the so much good he has done, definitely much more good than i or you or anyone has ever done so far in my life...



love, forgive, repent, amend, don't do it again...
2008-07-15 17:44:48 UTC
I have lose complete confidence in all charity organisations. First NKF, now Ren Ci. People donate out of generosity and this is how it is abused. But what disgust me further, is that the Ren Ci incident was done by a man of the cloth. Here we are all fooled by his humble looks and daredevil stunts. Looks like he had us all fooled. I would like to see what develops further. A secret girlfriend , properties, cars. More to come.
longdistancegal
2008-07-15 04:56:10 UTC
I feel he is really guilty. My sis was in a buddist school near geylang which Shi ming yi was part of the board of directors. On several occasions she saw him driving his MERCEDES car and flashes his GOLD cards! Aren't monks supposed to be really 'down to earth' and should live within their means? Anyway, not strange to hear of such in SG these days...poorer get poorer..richer gets richer..



To prevent such things from happening, make everything transparent! And people should think twice when someone ask for 'donations' in future. My 2 cents...
Elson
2008-07-15 03:48:58 UTC
I have lost total confidence in the governance of non-profit organisations. It has certainly raised questioning doubts including suspicious conspiracy between large non-profit organisations and the Government.



I believe Shi Ming Yi is guilty and I suggest apart from the organisation's auditor's report, external report and to include a 3rd Party Auditing report by the Public should be set up to check through the accounts.
Cynthia Shaw
2008-07-14 22:44:18 UTC
It actually makes me wonder how bad can these people be? They are supposed to be the respected helping out the needy but in the end, they dun derserve our respect at all. They make use of Singaporeans' kind hearts to raise funds, just for their own interest and this is ridiculous. I think tat the financial aspect of charitable organisation should be manage or at least vetted by a goverment organisation.
2014-06-18 20:05:48 UTC
To make matters worst, donors had to pay for SMSes and/ or telephone calls to pledge their donations. Why not add the amount that one pays to the telecommunication companies to what one has decided to donate, wouldn’t that be giving a little more? Remember, a little bit here and there adds up to quite a large amount. Let us ponder how much money the Telco’s making when you people are giving.
?
2015-01-10 22:08:36 UTC
Do I think he's guilty? I'm going to stay neutral until the final verdict. But when I read about it, the first feeling that came to me wasn't anger, but more like resignment. I believe that no matter what crops up, you shouldn't use other people's money to solve your own problems. Don't you know enough to keep your personal and office life separate?
sunzisg
2008-07-18 14:14:00 UTC
He's not guilty,i feel that he being set up because of the environment that he been working with.I believe everyone as a Chinese had seen the shows that he soak himself in a pool of ice that i believe NOBODY in Singapore can do it as it last for more then 45minutes.This show the sign of perseverance & determintation.A person with this attuide is very hard for me to believe that he done this,& its totally impossible for a greedy people to have perseverance.Usually they r proud & will not even soak themselves in a pool of ice water fro at least 10mins.They will jump up not even 5mins...
2008-07-15 18:39:38 UTC
On my views of thing like the saying goes "money is the root of all evil".even people like you and me might be tempted even though we do have principle that we abide by. Regarding this issue it doesn't have to be make into a big issue as we haven't even heard from the horses mouth.

For me to think whether he's guilty or not its not up to us to decide and moreover he wasn't pronounce guilty by the lawmakers so why should we judge him??But its best that the whole procedure of the hearing is made known to the public so that we would know what is actually going on

Lastly regarding the steps to be taken isn't it better that where all the proceeding goes and what is it used for is given a more transparency as to what I know they already did that here so I think its only fair that people know where their money goes to.
cinnamonraisin
2008-07-15 07:48:33 UTC
an utter disappointment, yet again, in the whole charity fiasco thing. it doesnt really matter if he's guilty or not cos all these negative media since NKF already left a bad taste in my mouth. dont think i will willingly donate to another charity show again.

imagine all the money shi ming yi had swallowed, could have been of so much use to the needy.



and he's a monk! arent they supposed to be benevolent and kind?????
cheong hock g
2008-07-15 19:22:40 UTC
Here we go AGAIN!! It really shows the most so-call Devinne person also cheats.......(before that the Tampinese church priest), now Ren Ci......Guilty? yes.....How to prevent such situations happen s again? Well, ask the law.....to me, its a matter of time, more so- call charitable organisation will be reveal of their *honesty*, its only one will be more smarter(learn from the previous criminal mistakes) to hide away the assets.
nike
2008-07-15 07:13:40 UTC
There should be a limit of donations for them to last and not asking every year. Now, end up our donations has misused because of his greed. Organisers must bear some responsibility also.
Blue B
2008-07-14 22:37:22 UTC
The relevant authorities would have sufficient proof before arresting. Unless one reached "true enlightenment", else the temptation is there though. End of the day, the misuse of the fund may still argued that it has been wrongly accounted for. NKF case 2?
joyluvsun
2008-07-15 22:14:11 UTC
It makes me feel...not another scum of society again! Making use of other people's money that is donated out of kindness to help those who are less fortunate. Ain't he supposed to be a prominent figure who should carry out his taks and responsibilities with integrity?

When the newspaper showed some time ago a photo of a mercedez benz he is driving guess the government would already have started getting evidence to bring it up as a law case already.



Think procedures should be put into place where a committee should be set up just to monitor charitable organisations. Charitable organizations should submit their reports yearly and auditors should go around yearly to check all their records.
Trex
2008-07-15 21:09:47 UTC
Aiyo.. why get so work up over this issue.

why see money until so important... although some part of money might be misappropriate but definitely some of our donations go to the needy. Anyway the money we donate are excess money.. Let the government deal with them and move on... even if government cannot catch, he will not go unpunished now or ever.. we just continue to do our part to help if possible..
James1980
2008-07-15 11:09:43 UTC
I personally don't trust everything reported in the papers, nowadays media should be taken like a pinch of salt. I still believe he have a heart of gold and that his intentions is always to help the needies just that humans are inevitably subjected to greed when it comes to personal wealth. I mean everyone could be here cursing him but if they were placed under temptations I doubt all could resist because humans are vunerable creatures.
2008-07-15 01:28:39 UTC
An arrest irregardless of whether he is guilty or not is bound to have an impact on the general public. With the recent cases of charity funds mishandled. I don't think the most of us have much faith in these organization to properly handle our hard earned money.



I personally think a lot must be done to restore the good faith as well as educating the public on where and how the money is spent as well as how the funds got to be mishandled.
JC Man
2008-07-15 01:08:35 UTC
It shows that no-one is above the law. At least almost no-one. While I believe that the public perception of the Reverend Shi is one of gung-ho, committed to his charity cause, etc. Coming at a time, where the Tang's boss is charged for organ trading, it sent the message that celebrities, the wealthy,etc are subjected to the due process of the law. To sum up in S'pore terminology : "Don't Play Play".
2008-07-14 23:59:47 UTC
I am really not surprised. I tend to believe that all charity organisations in Singapore do misuse their funds in one way or another. It's frankly because there is a lack of regulative policing to watch and analyse spending. People have always misused funds especially when it isn't their own. A body has to be organised to partake in the regulation of all Charities. Also, greater transparency with annual detailed financial spending to be released publicly. I am surprised that NCSS or MCYS doesn't take a more active part in becoming a Charity Watchdog.
mantrix
2008-07-18 08:29:20 UTC
The damage is already done

This issue and the NKF saga will surely damage Singapore's reputation as a "clean" country.
2014-09-24 20:04:35 UTC
Saw it coming after TT Durai's saga. Press releases that 3 years jail term might be possible. In my opinion, 3 years jail term is way below my expectations..... and I will tell you why in the next paragraph!
Kirba
2014-10-08 19:39:59 UTC
If someone is charged for fraud and deceit, he is liable to be jailed a minimum of 6 mths, fined or both. Problem here is.... Our dear "MONK" has the whole of Singapore fooled... like our dear Mr Durai. Now you use 6 mths and multiply the amount of ppl that supported RenCi.... Dun you think he deserves more than 3 years?
raging_pig2
2008-07-17 05:45:15 UTC
when one is in authority of funds, temptation always remain. i dont give a rat's *** on who is the bugger who misused funds, but i think it is really obvious that he is human afterall, and when put in his shoes, i will not be surprised if i get caught doing the same thing.



but i guess, one of the more important things is "do what you want but dont get caught". having said that, and that both of these people were caught, they are both idiots.



if there is a chance that you may get caught, dont do it lo... so simple... you mess with accounts, everything gets overturned with a simple autit or 2.



how can it be prevented? hm... never? because at the end of the day, humans greed over money. unless you have a robot in charge of funds.



in hokkien, the saying "kua heng suay" in translation, "see lucky or unlucky". whether you have a money hungry team of ministers? or you have a humble and kind leader (someone like goh cheok tong maybe?)



do i think he is guilty? i dont care... monk or not, he is still human. being a human with authority, you can be either corrupted, or you have envious people who wants to frame you in the name of schaden freude (pleasure out of seeing others fail).....
Codfish
2008-07-15 23:01:25 UTC
I've worked with the Ven. before and feel that his air of serenity is v difficult to fake. So I would tend to believe him. The crimes are of lending people $ meant for Ren Ci, not for his personal gain. So the only thing he should be accused of is bad judgement --- for wanting to help people even when logically it's against the law.



Quite irritated at all the news reports saying how his ex-employee has so many porno tapes. Hello, how can you be held responsible for your friend's habits? No link, can't jump to conclusions like that wat.
enoughforme
2008-07-15 22:23:40 UTC
He is not guilty. No prevention is required,

When people donate, it is from the heart.

And what he has done, must be from his heart too.



Why it take so long for someone to find out something is

wrong. They are waiting for the fruit to ripe.... time to

pluck and condemn someone.



Poor fellow, contribute so much to society, that why he

has a sour smile now.



Everyone comments his good deeds, now many condemn

him. What go up must come down.



The best judgement come from God not humans. So hold

your fire.....
Bystander
2008-07-15 20:12:15 UTC
I believe he is genuinely working for the good of RenCi but has run foul of procedural requirement.

We must appreciate the kind and great effort as given by him for the destitutes to be well taken care in these welfare hospitals. Some dumped their relatives off in homes and deserted them for some unrelated people like him to take care of, this must be truly good heartedness to give such love without asking for any return to do so. One will really appreciate the burden (emotional & financial) when one has an aged relative to be taken care of in hospital or aged home.

So let not jump to conclusion just base on newspaper reporting and past cases that may be totally different in nature & details.
?
2015-01-11 05:35:50 UTC
The worst person is the one who's taking over the "wrong person". He/She gonna start out small. Well, my recommendation is to come out with small events(within the organisation's compund) yearly which still can gain back the trust (at least) of generous donors, be it organisations or individuals. Then maybe back to the tv few years later, which is directed to commoners like me.
2008-07-16 23:30:02 UTC
Initially i felt disappointed in him, after the NKF case....However, I believe that he has his reasons. Humans err and we should just forgive and forget. Most importantly, our consciences were clear when we raised/donated the funds, knowing that they will be sourced out for good intentions. If he abuses the trust of others, he will eat his own medicine one day. He reaps what he sows. Since there is yet a conclusion to this case, lets not be judgemental.
MindfulAlways
2008-07-16 03:02:56 UTC
It appears most people here are already assuming Rev Ming Yi is guilty. Whatever happened to the principle - "You are innocent unless proven guilty". Look at what had happened to the ex-teacher Mr Ding who was eventually found not guilty of molesting his student. The damage was already done when he was charged and I think it is irreparable even with the non-guilty outcome. What is wrong with our society nowadays. Sit back and reflect on life you guys.
I know
2008-07-16 00:52:47 UTC
The joke's on Mediacorp and all their naive artistes. The tears, the bravado, the pleas, undergoing those silly stunts - this makes it all a big fat joke. Just imagine what's going through the mind of the Reverend Ming Yi when he was walking down the building, must be thinking of his gleaming new Lexus after the show...that must have been what kept him going...it's sad.
Panda
2008-07-15 23:34:30 UTC
A man who does no Sin is a SAINT. Ask yourself this before you guys comment or criticise: Have you ever done NO sin? No dishonest act? No lies ever said? No evil thought ever had? No matter how big or small the Sin is, A Sin is a Sin. Even doing personal things during office hours is a Cheating behaviour!!!
wtw
2008-07-15 18:04:40 UTC
i think he's guilty.

well, felt that 'help' came in abit too late. only when things happen, they start to look into it. These big charitable organisations have tv, newspaper to 'advertise' that they are doing good deed.. So people donate. But after this thing happen once again... The small scale charitable societies are those tat are really affected...as people will start tightening their pockets...and think before they donate...
2008-07-15 00:48:37 UTC
It is not for armchair detectives and jury to say if he is guilty or not...FACTS!! IN A COURT OF LAW.



only then can a verdict be given. To ask if he is guilty is grossly negligent as the public have only what the newspapers say and are not privy to the full facts of the case. but then i suppose sensationalism is paramount.



it is irresponsible to divide the public by asking this question report the news please and leave the judging to the courts.
?
2008-07-17 17:03:17 UTC
Many years ago, we had Community Chest, then NKF and now Ren Ci Hospice. Many more like the B-Bank, H-Bank, A-Brewery and many more... Not to mention the likes of US Presidents (Scandal), Indonesian President, etc (the list goes on and on). Who can you really TRUST?
Michelle Shoo
2008-07-17 00:35:44 UTC
I think monks in Singapore, like Shi Ming Yi, are way too commercialised. Monks should be conservative and not subject themselves to greed and corruption.



If they are overwhelmed by greed, do we still treat them as monks? I guess so not.
cool man
2008-07-15 21:55:49 UTC
Expected, is matter of time. And things are never transparent when come across with Money by the way (eg: NKF). They make use of people kind hearts to raise funds. Whether is guilty or not doesn't matter because nothing is too late to know.
EriChasher
2008-07-15 18:45:05 UTC
I believe it is not for me to put a sentence before a judge. Let's be patient. :)

As what Venerable's lawyer said, "it is not a case of a person has basically taken the money and used it to buy house or buy shares for himself."



"It’s a question of corporate governance; it’s a question of how you treat certain things in the accounts and what should be done."



Referring to one comment on the teaching, there is nothing wrong with the teaching. Let's face the facts, no matter what went wrong, this is human at work, not the teaching!



Coming back....., let's don't forget the number of patients who has benefited from his work.



Once again, let's be patient....



As for what should be done, I look forward for a time when Venerables in charitable organizations are not personally involved in money matters.

Independent bodies should be engaged to handle the fund and auditors are involved to check the regularities of the fund management.
nichCheam85
2008-07-15 05:02:42 UTC
IN MY OWN OPINION:



He has taken the money people donated and given INTEREST FREE LOANS to HIS OWN BUSINESS.That's just brilliant.

I saw a documentary of him once, he has an APPLE mac in his office and gets DRIVEN around in a luxury car. What kind of monk is that???





He's a fraud and a sorry excuse for someone "enlightened"



I'm angry, I'm disgusted. I hope he's jailed for a long time and then exiled to Sudan or something.



I think media corp which has been broadcasting and organising all their charity events should be audited and all the findings made public. I want to know if media corp has befitted MONETARILY from from all the ren ci shows.
2008-07-15 01:02:51 UTC
No one is Guilty until proven.



Your question is biased and prejudiced.



I believe it is an injustice to make such biased



questions.



Innocent until proven beyond a doubt.



That is justice in our law based on english law.
sywoon1994
2008-07-18 05:40:27 UTC
i think this society is getting worse than before .

even a MONK can do such things .

then what do euu expect from other people ?

its just simply disapponting and it will cause many needy people cannot have the money needed becuase i think not many people will want to donate money to charitable organisations after all these incidents had happened .
thomassim79
2008-07-15 21:03:59 UTC
wonder, if anyone of you remember the REN CI show when Ming Yi climb so high?and our celebrities cried?

i wonder if the celebrities think is it worth?

come to think of it---- STUPID--- maybe they dont even know cried for what.. all safety measures have been taken so what was there to worry? SUPER FUNNY LOR.

or cried because Ming Yi was very tired?

many would climb even higher with lesser safety measure if they pay us too...

why make charity so difficult to trust now?

or should i say CANNOT TRUST.

why make our hardearned money to their ENJOYING OF LIVE.condo,landed property,big car..

give them a 4rm HDB,cherry QQ, maybe they quit liao lor.

since doing charity then they should take lesser salary so that more money can be use to help the people who needs it.

dont say (stil yet to confirm) because the government wont slap him with not just 1 BUT 10 charges on hand if they have no prove..

I think the government should have every detail check and sue them to the maximum charges.

and should have goverment people step into all charity account, events etc.
-_-''
2008-07-15 19:45:42 UTC
No... I have already lost the trust on them. First of all, we are not sure how they use and manage the funds. Too risky plus unfair to the needs.



Can't understand how can they draw so much money. Plus how can they use the money for the needs to do those things.



This is so not fair. Yes I think he should be guilty. He should also be ashame of himself too for doing such things. I don;t think gods teach him to do that.



Prevent? Hard loh... We never know the dark side of people plus the person managing might gang up? who knows?



BTW I felt really sad about it. How can they trust?
Kid o_0
2008-07-15 07:00:18 UTC
I had done volunteering at Singapore Care Cancer Society & Handicap Welfare Association ever since last year, but the system of Singapore Care Cancer Socitey had really change all the weedends F.O.C activity stops ever since last year a new maneger Ms Wong came & a grill I knew over ther also leave the company after she came, cause she change alot of things & don't need us to volunteer anymore. Instead a few cancer mambers volunteering there only. I had doubts ever since then with my volunteering friends. I'm not there to judge so we decided to go donate blood instead. I hope All Association & Socitey understands that we are using our hard earn money to donate to the needly & not letting them misuse it for themselfs.
zhao z
2008-07-15 02:18:06 UTC
Now I understand why one of Buddhism precepts for monks is to avoid handling cash and money.



Charity does not necessary involve only giving out money and cash. When we help someone in need, like helping a blind crossing a road, it is a form of charity too.



When we do charity, it should be spontaneous. We give only because we want to give it from our heart. If not, it will not be a charitable act. Giving from our hearts generates positive karma. Evil thoughts generate bad karma. Both affect, not only the doer, but the world at large.
Xia0Binny
2008-07-17 04:35:00 UTC
We must also take into account of Ming Yi's previous contributions although this issue has hit many people with a great impact.
Skill and agility
2008-07-17 02:35:33 UTC
He is a monk,but I shall conquer that he is guilty!I know that he makes lot of effort to raise funds as there was once he made a dangerous attempt to do so,but he had abide by the rules!
impact
2008-07-15 18:04:16 UTC
Yes, he is guilty because he as the hospital head, he must answer for it or else it no point to have a hospital head.

I think the better way to prevent is stop donation money to the charity.
Talk is cheap
2008-07-15 01:10:43 UTC
Donation comes from all walks of life. Poor and rich. I believe ALL religions teaches the good way of life. It is in one's SELF that drives every individual into one's action. We are all responsible for our action. We all have a choice. We can choose to donate. We can choose not to believe. It is the action we took when we decide to donate. So we should not regret after we made that choice. Well, I'm a Buddhist myself and have seen monks driving big cars and eat chicken rice. What can I say. We all live in the real world. Singaporean complained once that people take the money and fled back to their hometown China and build big house. You have a choice not to trust people you don't know. How much we know about Monk MY? Just because he cried on TV and said " They are really very pity"; made you trust him so much? How about donation to win lucky draw? So people will donate more? What is the real purpose of donation? Lucky draw or good will? I made $0 donation to Ren Ci because I don't trust Monk MY's decision (as a leader) of coming out with charity shows that win prizes. I choose to help others with my own action. Not money. So I don't have to complain or be angry if I happened to learn that my donation went to some famous Monks to buy Big Cars and balr blar... like VIPs. Basically NKF saga is an good example. Commercial world this is! When we truly want to help, we have many choices to do so. Donation just make it an easy way out. Complain so much, talked so much, still got people who donate and still got people cheating on donation money. Sigh....turning round and round...
eileena_lee
2008-07-15 00:27:42 UTC
It doesn't matter to me if he is guilty.



Too often we give too much authority to religious people (can be any religion).

At the end of the day, I believe the onus is on the people who donate the dollars, to make sure that the organisations we donate to, are governed by a responsible board/people and there's accountability.

Has it occur to us to question their intentions - for they are just as human as us and when money is involved, there needs to be accountability.
Tashi Tchopel
2008-07-15 18:48:46 UTC
Basically, a true practitioner or/and respectful monk should only think of how to enlighten himself and others... that's all... a very simply and easy way to judge a buddhist teacher.



So, this statement has answered all questions asked.



If you are a buddhist, concentrate on your daily practice and not to waste time in this kind of debate. Time is short... we are running out of it every second.
mango
2008-07-15 17:44:51 UTC
For once, i thought he was real. Having to perform stunt and all i knew someday some kind of issue like this will arise. Being an authority figure have allowed him to make use of the locals naiveness to see and to believe what he was doing was purely for charity. He might have been living in guilt for years but just so smart enough to cover up for himself for years. Every religion has its own virtue and i believe as time passes by, one will preach what he have learnt thru punishment that he have gone through. Overall, i'm disappointed @ how people can actually make use of religion to cheat.
Francis Lim
2008-07-14 22:49:38 UTC
The government should imposed heavier fines and heavier should be implemented to discourage such acts and omission. There should be more transparency in the usage and handling of funds.Our society do not condole such unethical practices irregardless of which organisation they are in.
2008-07-17 20:05:06 UTC
yes.being a monk he's supposed to help the needy but yet he has misused the donations that people had donated.maybe people should just visit the oragnisations on theior own if they really meant to make a donation instead of watching fund raising shows.
?
2014-09-16 14:00:56 UTC
But seriously, our government has all the talents in their cabinet to think of good ideas. Leave it to the ministers to come out with a bright idea on how to manage such charitable organisations.
mklf
2008-07-15 21:45:27 UTC
after so many abuse of such funds, i feel that in the future any charity programme should be held only by government body. all donations should be forwarded to a government organization thereafter the so called body will in turn decide how to spent on the collection. they will decide which harity home and what amount to be shared. after all the government is the most trusted body.
liquidsnake
2008-07-15 10:41:58 UTC
I am really disappointed with all these things happening here. Misuse of our kindness. 1st NKF and now It Ren Ci. Its making the people there rich and richer. I will think twice before donating.
hey! u got prob?
2008-07-15 01:33:02 UTC
Frankly, after reading this articles, i believe many people like me feel very dishearten .I guess this matter will turn into a big huha for the next couple of days! regardless what is the purposes he used for the money, is simply not right to use people money to do any kind of transaction! had he consulted any committee?Had he get the proper procedure to loan the money to other organisation?Laziness and ignorance will get yourself in troubles ,esp in singapore when we talk about 'black and white".It is quite surprised that he suppose to know all this but yet he choose not to do it, hence he get himself into trouble and like wat i said, no matter his intention is good or bad, but in the end is the system that we are follow.Ironially as buddhist teaching always said this,"to reap what you sow"

Pardon to say, after NKF & this incident issue, i wonder if i will donate again as i really scared what if another this kind of thing happen again?! recently, there are some cases people are selling fake charity tickets!Well, regular audit is one of the good ways.Lastly, i believe most singaporeans are kind souls with generous heart who will still donate money to the needy, but this enthusiasm will die away if this kind of incident is still carry on
CT
2008-07-15 00:53:29 UTC
Charity organization should have a proper SOP to prevent fund abuse case. Perhaps more frequent auditing or stricter measures required

Find it rather disappointing to have another “NKF” saga, this will greatly make Singaporean think twice before donation.



Once bitten, twice shy. Regret our reputation as Singaporean will get stained for such case.



If he is guilty, I will think many times before donating my hard-earned money.

Wonder if my money is used for another “Golden tap” this time round.
Benny.
2008-07-14 22:50:30 UTC
Guilty, yes. He should know this is coming, since the NKF incident, why didnt he do anything about it? Greed is the root to all evil.

To prevent such situation, Audit checks should be regulated. We're talking about our people's money here. Although there are things transparent to us, either it's not known to us at all, or it didnt happen at all. Ignorance is bliss.
?
2014-05-27 07:06:32 UTC
My advice to all the kind people out there, please know who you are donating to, who is running that organisation, who is its treasurer, how are the donation spent? Asked yourself all these questions and if you know all the answer and are confident that your donations are being utilised for the needy then by all means donate. I mean look at that monk whom hundreds or maybe even thousands have trusted and held in high regard but now …., let’s wait and see.
Gerald L
2008-07-16 01:25:09 UTC
If Mr Ming Yi really is a monk, why can't he live in a temple instead of a off "Holland Road "condominium??????? He got so many temple he don't like to stay there???



Seems like most buddhist monks in Singapore do not practice Kung Fu like in China, Neither do they meditate like in India (definately not half as much). Neither do they walk to ask for food alms. Seems to be their number one occupation is to perform ceremonies to ask for donations. A uniquely Singapore act indeed.



Imho : A man is a man and would be completed with a Woman partner. Even mr buddah has a wife and child, though later abandon them. So for the monk to desire the company of females........
Cougar
2008-07-16 00:58:21 UTC
I felt upset when I read about this piece of news. Whatever the instances maybe, Venerable Mingyi had done his part substantially for the charity community and remains as highly respectable as ever. In buddhism, there is a saying "one should be responsible for his actions, as Karma protects no one". I reckon if Venerable Mingyi is guilty for his actions, he will be responsible and pay for his wrong doing. I reckon high profile members of religious community should be sent for courses on management and accounting courses. It could be a spur of moment that funds are wrongly accounted for that have caused him these problems. Pls bear in mind that "Human do make mistakes, so long as they are willing to pay for their actions, the society should forgive them and give them a second chance in life". Cheers!
adrian_cheok
2008-07-15 15:30:25 UTC
frankly, the govt is inviting public war to opp political party, and will be losing a lot of vote for e next coming election, cause both e saga will be voice over and over again, this time its religions involve??? I 'm a freethinker wondering how e devotee w think?
el_moghazel
2008-07-15 09:00:07 UTC
He may have been mislead by his so called "associates" for their own ends. With so much money being in transaction, they were tempted to generate more funds by thinking they could return the original sum after their so called "ventures".

In truth there is no short cut in making a fast buck.
Blurrie T
2008-07-15 08:50:06 UTC
I do not know whether he is guilty a not. BUt Like they say Justice has long arms. I just feel upset to find out those biggest charities are the one scamming most money from people and it's not like most of us have it easy in Singapore with higher and higher costs of living. Its upsetting to know that you just donated money into a scammed organisation. I think Charities should be closely monitored especially those with huge sums rolling in. I do not discourage people from donating but please make sure what you have donated ends up in those in need instead of those living in luxury.
2008-07-15 22:52:59 UTC
100% + Stamp + Chop he should be guilty no matter he is innocent or guilty.



The purpose of the fund should be to help those in need in medical and living but not for loaning. If LOANING of the fund is appropriate, then why would people loan from loanshark or banks ? Singaporeans' donation is for people to loan ?



Now, I felt that what he did during the fundraising show is just like someone seeking adventurous and challenging stuffs.
ans469
2008-07-15 12:29:20 UTC
If Master Shi Ming Yi did not take any money for himself, I feel that he should be pardon, and the rest of the gang should get double punishment.
2008-07-16 02:33:58 UTC
He had it coming. People who practise the true form of Buddhism knew all along that he was a fake. Only people who fancies entertainment and amusement are blinded by his bad impression of Spiderman, Iceman and who knows what man.
Din Huzir
2008-07-14 23:44:21 UTC
The LAW must Prevail in ANY matters pertaining to CHEATS, MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS in any form from Public Istituitions, Organisations, Societies, Government Bodies/Organisations,etc. NO ONE is ABOVE the LAW and MUST be PUNISHED SEVERELY in any ACTS of such MISUSES. For they are supposed to be the Trustee or " Guardian Angel" over Such Sacred Matters, once they turned "Satanic" they MUST be DEMOLISHED irrespective of Who they Are/Were !! Din Huzir.
wayne_lim
2008-07-16 00:50:46 UTC
Events like NKF and this make me very wary of making donations at all. It makes me very suspicious of where my funds and other's are being used.



I think all charities need to be professionally managed with yearly audited accounts and proper accountability. This would include paying the right people and incur more costs for the charities, but I am in favour of more transparency and professionalism in this industry.
EG
2008-07-15 21:27:38 UTC
I hope he is not guilty but from the Straits Times, I think most likely it is true. Shocked but I think there should be more audit checks on accounts every 6 months to prevent such recurrence in future.
kent
2008-07-15 09:22:50 UTC
A Human cannot defy the temptation of money. I know this very well, how come. I know it when I build my wealth over the time of more then 15years. Alot of money will make him think very differently from others. Buddha say - don't be greed. So easy to understand? I bet isn't or never for a simple human.
observer
2008-07-15 06:47:45 UTC
1st question:- No, I don't think he is guilty.

2nd question:- If you want to donate, you must have trust in the organisation's

Based on his status [as a Venerable], I believe whatever he does there's a reason for his doing's.

To a Buddhist believer, money is not everything if it could be use to save lives or people in need of it privately for some cause but somehow, some action's / doing's cannot be reveal.
chi h
2008-07-15 06:32:38 UTC
actually to be frank we r not judges nor the person so dont judge people by its book.give him a chance to explain this is how i feel dont forget that he did alot of things for the needy too he was not convicted yet so y you guys are treating like though hes being convicted singapore is that not dont have law i always think that if hes really convicted then he have to face the charges
Ben J
2008-07-15 03:16:01 UTC
The government said they had measures in place to prevent a repeat of the NKF saga. Now it appears to have happened

again. They have failed in their duty to the citizens of Singapore. This should sort of failure should be a capital offence since its effect on the morale of the country is far more damaging than a bag of heroin.
k-ter
2008-07-15 21:31:48 UTC
Retribution.

If he touch the money and use it for other purpose other then helping the poor's and needs, I think we shouldn't pity him.

Moreover after the NKF's issue, he didn't consider of the impact for the donator's that keep contributing throughout the years.....

I think the gov should impose heavier penalites for all these offender, as they doing monkey business under their nose.

I don't dare to do anymore donation, who know next round having what issue been discovered.
DeathStar
2008-07-15 20:08:43 UTC
Let the case begin......yes , your honour, he is guilty.



Ostentatious display of doing it for the sake of charity will give me second thoughts of whether the organisation is doing it for charity or doing it for their pockets.



The credibility of charitable organisations is marred beyond reasonable doubt and I will rather save the money for something useful and volunteer for a credible charity institution.



True, the circus life of a charity show has ended and the government must do something so their citizens wont be milked of their hard earned money just to satisfy the whims of charity CEOS.
Justice Pao
2008-07-15 05:44:27 UTC
Reading all these replies here, it appears majority of readers have already indicted him and are ready to "sentence him" even without knowing the facts nor the circumstances of the case.



We shld let the justice runs its course and let the defendent a FAIR chance to present his case. Only then we can make a judgement as to kind of man this monk really is.
divinebizz
2008-07-14 23:55:36 UTC
Ya he may have started the Charity with good intentions, so did Durai who helm NKF but what went wrong,.... the temptations of $. Guilty, definitely, jus whether in the eyes of the law or morally or both.. other than audit, limit the term that the board of directors or chairman perhaps..
AL Phang
2008-07-15 06:50:54 UTC
I am utterly disappointed with this Buddhist monk. A monk is to rid off greed and denounce the worldly possession.



Anyway, karma is catching up with him and he has to pay for his own acts.



Singapore government is too soft to handle such big bizaare cases. I do not have much confidence that this case will be trial satisfactorily.



Let's wait and see.



AL
Ady M
2008-07-15 20:19:52 UTC
At the begining, I 'm already no comfortable with the charity show in Singapore. A monk does not behave like a monk and do a monk job. He acts like a crown, doing all kinds of stung.. Sad... Sad... I think the government should impose a heavy punishment to him and I think should jail him.
Hasan M
2008-07-15 07:25:24 UTC
Let the Judge be the judge for his guilt.People holding top post cannot be allowed to hold too much authority and any decisions on transactions must come from a select committee as far as charitable organization is concern.
kon l
2008-07-15 02:13:00 UTC
'Do you think he's guilty?'

I think this question is set up such that one is bound to speculate or 'think'.

The next question "What do you think should be done to prevent such situations in charitable organisations in Singapore?" presupposes guilt.

I don't think either question is phrased intelligently.

Without facts, you can 'think' all day long.
San
2008-07-14 23:40:11 UTC
I have not been donating long ago b4 the NKF's incident came out. Cos I heard fr frens wrking in hospital that there is misused of the funds collected. Now that Monk Shi Ming Yi have done it, how to trust ppl in fufure?! Might as well saved the $$$ for myself, right??
tan
2008-07-15 20:34:57 UTC
Innocent until proven guilty
Lyssah
2008-07-16 00:39:07 UTC
Yrs ago i have already heard from people who met him(specky monk) in closed doors privately to discuss business. They said he came in Mercedes, with 2 female companion, and he speaks quite arrogantly in dialet(Hokkien)... I thought they were bullshitting at that time but now it seems to be somehow true...

Times have change... People can just do anything for money...
Answering Machine
2008-07-15 23:53:36 UTC
The salaries of those charitable organisations chairman should be way up high, therefore, there's no need to corrupt.



lallalalala
johnkoh889
2008-07-15 19:32:50 UTC
Bascially , buddha has been teaching us not to be greed but to help others. But buddha do teach us to stick to the law . the law of nature and the law of being truthful . There are ppl in life make use of other ppl.
RENDEVOUS
2008-07-15 02:55:07 UTC
Of course he is guilty. The authorities won't act without concrete evidence. The charities should hire accountants that will not succumb to temptations. Have directors that have no other directorships/appointments and not running other businesses.
mcmandpmc
2008-07-18 20:24:40 UTC
Whether he is guilty anot depends on the judge.

Get more auditors to conduct checks loh.

You can also choose not to donate.
James H
2008-07-15 21:23:26 UTC
NKF saga a contractor has told me before, 6 year ago about the NKF head indian corruption , that why i never donate, now the so call monk it is a matter of protected corruption or not protected corruption, like i said to some lawyer of s'pore there collect debit for bad credit card bill, lawyer are engage for legal collector which mean like licence loan shark and is worse protected. Our corruption bearue should look into this type of case serious , singapore is not corruption free like farma plant safety dept, i personnel see many corruption and shipyard too. Did you think there is corruption free in s'pore, that why i left s'pore for many years as i can. there are sting even s'pore police i did not trust them too.
commoncents
2008-07-15 23:12:50 UTC
Every man is innocent until the law proves otherwise. Think about it....to squander public funds in the name of buddhism, I wouldn't think its very clever or wise of the monk to do so.He has to constantly watch his back to cover up his tracks.Constant meditation practice may achieve his crime but it would eventually succumb to the law of cause and effect.Certainly not one who is familar in the teachings karma would take the unprecended risks. The religion discipline if one is verse in, covers the shadows of most doubts in my humble opinion. It is just too coincidental that this saga precedes TT Durai's recent sentence for corruption.
2008-07-15 20:47:14 UTC
I feel sad for the monk if he truly is guilty, it will change people's expectations towards them.



Almost Every week we see students asking for charity, holding a sealed can for donations. People are wondering where is this going to and does it really helping the needy? Or are they being used by corrupt teachers?



I did not pay my son / daugther educations just to see them outside the street asking for donations!!! It is very dissapointing and unethical!!!
enet72
2008-07-15 08:33:35 UTC
Disgusted. Fake Monk.
Alfred
2008-07-16 08:20:26 UTC
Very disappointed with all this events. Best solution is to stop giving money. No point giving and the money goes to the wrong channel.
2008-07-15 01:42:22 UTC
feel insulted and disappointed with all the so called "good" charities turned out to be smelly companies. Human nature can be greedy or tempted due to too much money
2008-07-14 23:49:31 UTC
He is a man of god, lets not jumps into any conclusion, as MM do said when comments make by IBA, "Have you govern Singapore". Then asked ourselves, " Have you be a monk and in Chinese ways of organising charity and getting people to participate. Temple don't work under the same rules as the churches, mosque do. So ways of governance are not the same, As a Buddhist I don't condemn the Ven, he should knows whom he has to answer to. I only see that this as a tit for tat by those whom suffer after the NKF saga to punish us and using this to redeem themselves. And the authority is always good at using the least troublesome religious and forgiving group likes Chinese saying "Kill chicken to teach the dogs"
James
2008-07-15 18:05:51 UTC
i guess this type of "issue" is normal. no human being can resists "greed". not even a saint. Somemore this person is not stupid. is very clever.



Anyway, I don't donate unless i am being force to. I only provide volunteer service which i know and always sure that my effect is being given to the CORRECT people.
lip
2008-07-15 02:07:25 UTC
Most likely he is guilty. otherwise he should be able to answer auditors' questions...Put him behind bar for 20 yrs. He is another disgrace to Singapore charity organization after NKF and even though he is a monk, he greed after wealth which should not be the case.



He is a total disgrace and everyone of us should spit on his face before putting him in jail.
wg
2008-07-14 22:58:33 UTC
One thing tt everyone here has not noticed is that he is not being charged with misuse of the funds for PERSONAL use (look at The Straits Times) and that is a very impt point to note. Let's be patient for more developments on the case and not be too quick to judge ppl.
Death Knight
2008-07-15 03:13:01 UTC
Is time for Authority to check all other religous organisation.........bear in mind, religion is a very powerful tool to manipulate followers etc..
?
2014-07-19 23:17:51 UTC
I do not believe that Ven. Mingyi is one who drives flashy Mercedes, owns expensive jewellery or big houses.
cczyeo
2008-07-15 17:39:19 UTC
Please lah... All for show only...



The ex-NKF board of directors are still scot-free today, without a single cent returned back to the NKF fund...



Although declared bankrupt, still can live in luxurious Semi-D house, drive expensive cars... ("friends/relatives" helped to pay rental and installments)



Bet that this time round won't be that much difference...
Vaudevillian
2008-07-15 07:36:59 UTC
The arrest make me felt good... Its people like this deceive and abuse our sympathy for the poor and needy...



Yes.. I think he is.. Pls slap this case with the max punishment to deter others. This is really a big*3 disappointment for all those who trust and believe him.



Jack*ss...
Angel Light
2008-07-15 21:37:57 UTC
We are always too quick to judge others. everyone is responsible for their own actions and we will face our own result or Karma eventually..so who are we to say what is right and what is wrong of another. If you do something out of goodness and love, it will only result in goodness....Let us all live in light and love!! :)
Nadine L
2008-07-15 19:56:50 UTC
Whether he is gulity or not,my confidence and respect for him is very much diminished.I think donations should be more for the people who needed it than using it more admin purposes which theyare always writing off.Their accounts should also be reviewed by external audit.
人微言轻
2008-07-17 22:59:23 UTC
When anyone has become so powerful.... he/she WILL abuse their position... Everyone's is the same... That's why we have to be democratic... Cant let someone have full power..
360Plans
2008-07-15 17:56:07 UTC
It makes you think twice before you donate. It makes you think whether your donations get channel to the ultimate cause who needs it. Are you really helping the needy.
tag
2008-07-15 02:03:10 UTC
I think Singapore's Law is fair, and if he is innocent, he should not be prosecuted. But if he had done something wrong, then this is good that he should face for his sins, and should be jailed and canned to deter these priviledged people from taking advantages from the charity organisations.
elllatina
2008-07-15 04:49:55 UTC
honestly, i will not think twice of donating but 1001 times.. it's not a matter of money..wealth can be accumulated but honesty & integrity needs to be earn.. this has really put a bad light on charities in sg..how do we trust that the money we donated is not mis-use or abused?
danielestoril
2008-07-15 18:55:32 UTC
He is innocent until proven guilty! However one universal fact is that money corrupts and easy money corrupts easily.
chewhwee
2008-07-14 23:01:00 UTC
Yes, I am disappointed but I am hoping that he is innocent & has very good reasons for doing so. Naive? Maybe..We have to hear his side of the story first



To prevent such incidents, we should have thorough audit checks and internal controls in place
2008-07-18 02:56:01 UTC
I think this is a sequel. Another episode of illegal use of charitie's money.
2008-07-15 20:13:07 UTC
Corporate goverance? Ignorance? I thought he had an MBA in Business or sorts of!
2008-07-15 11:37:21 UTC
i thought he will be different.. im sure no one will arrest him if his truely innocent.. he is such a disappointment.. these people deserve more punishments! not only have they cheated our money, they also betrayed our trust! because of this black sheeps.. people might stop donating money altogether!! heavier punishment for them!!!
pogie8
2008-07-15 06:58:46 UTC
It does not pay to do good deed. Better to back out from the charity scene and leave it to the govt who have all the resources and to do a `better job`.
hellfire_1646
2008-07-14 23:13:42 UTC
If one's clear, he will be clear and the truth will come to light. There is nothing i can feel about. He is accountable for his own actions for his own deeds.
jowee70
2008-07-15 09:24:43 UTC
so when can all this things or scam or what so ever be finished???? NKF, now this, WHAT"S NEXT?

now i know, all ,my donations had been gone down the drain, feeding all these scumbags.

how and how much can the goverment recover from them??? is a total disgrace for singaporean and the country.

sorry, but no more donation from me to any charity, NOT A SINGLE CENT!!!!!
Be Gracious
2008-07-15 08:11:44 UTC
We should not be so quick to condemn others. No one is perfect and will fall from time to time. Has anyone never been dishonest before? Has anyone never said a single lie?



Let's be thankful our little dishonest acts were never publicized.
2008-07-14 22:55:04 UTC
They are utimately human after all... Humans are subjected, to temptations due to external factors.



It not for me to answer whether he is guilty.. being a religious person, he should know the answer best...
Joan
2008-07-18 19:55:51 UTC
of course he is guilty, misuse of funds should never happen. pple working in charitable groups should be clean as a bill.
Nicolae E
2008-07-15 04:05:44 UTC
tells us that no matter how a person seem so kind and nice on the outside. on the inside every one still has their greeds. and no one can be trusted.serve him right for getting caught . i hate people that make use of other peopls's kindness to get what they want
center
2008-07-14 22:39:54 UTC
so long he had start the ren ci first and run . is not money problem. why must always talk about money here. if there is no food outside can we eat money? why we cant ask? why he end up in this way is he feel sad.
wanbulldog01
2008-07-15 20:02:32 UTC
Well, what i feel is that other organisations (the Malay committees) should be audited too. Like they said, twice bitten, will be bitten again.
peteree70
2008-07-15 12:46:22 UTC
everything is jus so kelong in singapore.



nothing jus seems real here.



behind every positive is a doubled negative



this country is hopeless
anniechua87
2008-07-15 08:10:58 UTC
it will take a long time to regain people's trust in charity...its a shame on him to cheat in the name of charity.
2008-07-15 02:43:36 UTC
In our life , right is right. Wrong is wrong. There should be two audit channel from the government and commerical side to audit the account half yearly. Deterent measures should be imposed.
2008-07-15 00:17:08 UTC
One after another, I pledge myself to stop donating to these charity organizations again. I'd rather get a new Gucci bag for myself than to be donating money to imbeciles who cheats our money.
2008-07-15 08:50:05 UTC
He's too young to lead.

People at the highest has all the power to "bent the rules". So you need someone who has integrity.
asterisk
2008-07-14 22:52:43 UTC
Feels like he is just a human to me. What he might have done I still think he has good reasons for doing it. Whether he is guilty or not doesn't matter. And there is no real solution to curb corruption by means of human laws against another. Loopholes always emerge and people evolve constantly.
2008-07-14 23:34:35 UTC
Hey you people who criticised him, please stop using the word "enlightenment " as it mean alot to Buddhist like me.

Venerable Ming Yi is practising towards the path and so do many other Buddhist like us.

When Venerable Ming Yi first started his Ren Ci Hospital , his initial intention is to help those poor people who can't afford expensive hospital and medical bills in Singapore to sought for alternatives.In his life I believed he had done uncountable Charity acts , had all these been forgotten?

Please take into account for what he had done in the past who had help so many people. My heart is with him because I believed he had his reasons for all the things he had done.
2008-07-15 05:08:23 UTC
must be one big goofy misunderstanding.in singapore, he is consider to be a good man from good school ri. should be mp not monk.laterfor sure you know cannot be .singapore no 1.
Jimmy
2008-07-15 00:05:47 UTC
i feel disgusted about all this matter. Should'nt the government clamp more on these organisation. No more donation drive from them, they are cheating the people's money.
ying_chole2000
2008-07-18 01:45:32 UTC
disappointed, disgusted with this selfish actions n lose faith in charity organisations.
Ernie
2008-07-14 23:24:58 UTC
its terrible!god knows how many millions of people have been conned!its incredible really how he can be so super hypocritical......what has the world come to?
Vvan C
2008-07-14 23:11:24 UTC
Answer to your first question: How do I feel.

I believe in Karma- the cause and effect.

Answer to your second question: Do you think he is guilty?

Well, I don't think its necessary for me to comment if the truth is out!

Answer to your thirth question: What to be done to prevent this?

Get audited.
2008-07-15 01:04:57 UTC
makes me not to trust any more charity organisation...but i will still donate but directly to the persons who need it....no more thru middleman or any charity organisation.....
Ryuk
2008-07-15 03:55:43 UTC
get your answers by watching zeitgeist. applicable to all continents. time to wake up.
2008-07-15 08:10:03 UTC
onli wih evidence den can be charged?

is there anyone with a TRUE heart who work for the sake of others or is there any ulterior motive; is only depend on wat motive - pride, ambition or greed?
aisui
2008-07-15 03:11:01 UTC
i no longer trust any charitable organizations. Just donated a $5 2 weeks ago to some duno wat organization at Toa Pa yoh, i just feel cheated!
Woodstocky
2008-07-15 07:31:27 UTC
What i can't believe is that there are still people who are willing to post a bail of $200,000 for him.
Hatredger
2008-07-17 04:14:16 UTC
I am disappointed by his doings.
JL
2008-07-15 20:23:05 UTC
Very thin line between good and evil, even at this point/person.
2008-07-15 02:34:38 UTC
Very sad.......but we need to hear his side of story too.... dont be too fast to put to conclusion......
2008-07-15 01:46:04 UTC
dissapointment. that the renci monk was corrupted
2008-07-17 03:53:06 UTC
stupid monks, they think they can trick us by wearing those robes and shaving bald and acting so 'pure' and 'kind'.
Adriel L
2008-07-15 01:04:28 UTC
i think it was a good one. i know it is very good to give but if we are in trouble who will give to 'us' ?
yahooanswers
2008-07-17 19:27:33 UTC
THEY ARE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS!!!!

他们是双打冠军!!!
jeffrey
2008-07-15 22:01:01 UTC
disgaceful truth among our society.
wong
2008-07-15 09:39:43 UTC
even monks also do that, really sad.
curious
2008-07-15 00:16:18 UTC
Truth and falsehood is being revealed. Perhaps we should rethink religion and their teachings?
2008-07-15 23:57:33 UTC
complete lost of faith with figures helmng charity organization......
2008-07-15 01:02:09 UTC
ITS A CONSPIRACY!!!!


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