Question:
What do you think of this Hamas speech?
Trader G
2009-01-19 05:48:25 UTC
Sheik Ahmad Bahr, acting Speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council, declared during a Friday sermon at a Sudan mosque that America and Israel will be annihilated and called upon Allah to kill Jews and Americans "to the very Last One." Following are excerpts from the sermon that took place last month, courtesy of MEMRI.


Children at a Hamas rally [archive].
Photo: AP , AP

Slideshow: Pictures of the week Ahmad Bahr began: "'You will be victorious' on the face of this planet. You are the masters of the world on the face of this planet. Yes, [the Koran says that] 'you will be victorious,' but only 'if you are believers.' Allah willing, 'you will be victorious,' while America and Israel will be annihilated. I guarantee you that the power of belief and faith is greater than the power of America and Israel. They are cowards who are eager for life, while we are eager for death for the sake of Allah. That is why America's nose was rubbed in the mud in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Somalia, and everywhere."

Bahr continued and said that America will be annihilated, while Islam will remain. The Muslims "'will be victorious, if you are believers.' Oh Muslims, I guarantee you that the power of Allah is greater than America, by whom many are blinded today. Some people are blinded by the power of America. We say to them that with the might of Allah, with the might of His Messenger, and with the power of Allah, we are stronger than America and Israel."

The Hamas spokesperson concluded with a prayer, saying: "Oh Allah, vanquish the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them all, down to the very last one. Oh Allah, show them a day of darkness. Oh Allah, who sent down His Book, the mover of the clouds, who defeated the enemies of the Prophet, defeat the Jews and the Americans, and bring us victory over them."
Thirteen answers:
LTCgross
2009-01-19 05:55:35 UTC
I think it is typical of the bilge they produce. I also think it sad that you will be attacked for daring to publish it here! Those who support terrorism never want to see the truth.
Faruque Bin Laden
2009-01-19 06:18:16 UTC
Please try these ones!



Colonialism - When Theodor Hartzl, the ideological founder of the Zionist movements in the 1890s, was asked what he proposed to do with the indigenous Palestinian population when his "state of the Jews" become a reality, he replied, "We will quietly spirit them across the boarder". Source: Free America Now



Joseph Weitz, the head of the Jewish Agency's colonization department, confirmed this in his 1940 diary. "It must be clear", he wrote, "that there is no room for both people's together in this country … not one (Arab) village, not one tribe should be left". Source: Free America Now



In 1923 Vladimir Jabotinsky, leading intellectual of the Zionist movement and father of the right wing of that movement,... all » wrote: "Zionist colonization must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population - behind an The Iron Wall , which the native population cannot breach." First published in Russian under the title O Zheleznoi Stene in Rassvyet, 4 November 1923. Source: The Iron Wall





"If the General Assembly were to vote by 121 votes to 1 in favor of "Israel" returning to the armistice lines-- (pre June 1967 borders) "Israel" would refuse to comply with the decision." Aba Eban (the Israeli Foreign Minister). New York Times June 19, 1967.



"We must do everything to insure they (the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget." David Ben-Gurion, in his diary, 18 July 1948, Zohar's Ben-Gurion: The Armed Prophet by Michael Bar



"There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier, Israeli Prime Minister, June 15, 1969



" [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982.



"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
rsc3033
2009-01-19 05:58:44 UTC
This is well known in Conservative news circles, but completely ignored in the Liberal media. Amazing isn't it? People will blindly follow the socialists into the burning fires of hell, refusing to believe the real truth behind these so called protests against the big bad west. We are the bad guys, while they go on killing in the name of their God. We call these people Kool Aid drinkers. Much like the people who follow maniac preachers, they swarm like moths to a flame.
anonymous
2009-01-19 06:01:58 UTC
What speech?

Look in the real world.

Decode this lyrics " Say you say me"

Just happily singing and cheering themselves .

On their so called winnings out there in time.

With a small loss of 48 free "Martyrs" as cheap labour.

Don't even give a damn on heavy tolls of civilian casualties.

When they were suppose to care for them in time.

But let the dead Mummy from idol worshipping in nailing them all back into the coffin alive in own backyards in time.

Luke 21.22-24

What do you think?
anonymous
2009-01-19 05:55:43 UTC
No news flash here. Hamas hates Jews and Americans....always have, always will. However, they will tolerate liberal, anti-Jewish Americans for a season then annihilate them too.



Carry on, Israel.
Gary D
2009-01-19 06:53:52 UTC
It's just the same old rhetoric...



5 Flaws in the Critiques of Israel…



Below I expose the fallacious thinking that underlies these popular misperceptions and replace each one with reason and common sense applied to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.



1. THE WEAK SIDE OF THE CONFLICT IS SOMEHOW MORE MORAL OR RIGHTEOUS – This myth is perhaps the most pervasive and, at the same time, arguably the most erroneous. Much of the public feels a natural affinity toward the weak and views their cause as more deserving. As a result, this same public sides with the weak party and condemns the strong.



In sports, cheering for the weaker team (the underdog) often makes sense. A match in which the victory of the stronger team is a foregone conclusion is without suspense and no fun to watch. Dirt poor lottery winners are a more satisfying outcome than a multi-millionaire who holds the winning ticket.



However, the weaker side of an international conflict is not inherently the more worthy, moral or deserving claimant.



2. A SIMPLE COUNT OF THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS – The number of victims on each side of the conflict makes headlines. It is a simple enough summary statistic to fit into a headline and everyone can understand it. Yet it is an annoyingly simplistic number that masks more meaningful measures and, worse still, distorts incentives. First, a total body count does not categorize the number of victims by terrorists, soldiers and civilians. The extermination of a terrorist just about to detonate an explosive device in a crowded area or launch a rocket aimed at an urban center would be considered a blessing in most folks' accounting.



Second, counting bodies encourages ruthless regimes that care little for their people to make no effort to protect them. More perverse still, the public's reliance on this misleading statistic encourages Hamas to place Palestinian men, women and children in the line of fire. Aware that inflated victim tallies draw public outrage, Hamas and the Hezbollah are infamous for launching their missiles at Israel from local schools and crowded residential neighborhoods and placing children on rooftops of building in which Hamas operatives hide. In this way, any attempt to take out the rocket launcher or the operatives ensures civilian casualties.



On a more basic level, counting victims ignores entirely who initiated the conflict and who are the good guys and the bad guys. No one would think it unjust or recoil upon learning that 5.5 million Nazi soldiers died in World War II compared to fewer than 500,000 British soldiers and civilians.



3. DISPROPORTIONATE FORCE – Israel is regularly charged with exercising disproportionate force in response to its enemies' terrorist attacks. I truly don't have the faintest idea how to deter terrorism without relying on "disproportionate force" either in the quality or quantity of the response.



Criminal law operates on the basis that to deter crime the punishment must exceed the criminal's benefit from the crime; otherwise, crime pays. Deterrence of terrorism is no different. To induce Hamas terrorists to end their attacks on Israel, the cost the terrorists incur must exceed their benefit from successful terrorist operations.



4. CYCLE OF VIOLENCE – Critics charge Israel with perpetuating the cycle of violence whenever Israel responds to terrorism or a flagrant violation of its sovereignty. These critics apparently anticipate Israel to take it on the chin. Against a terrorist organization whose declared and revealed mission is to achieve your elimination, taking it on the chin is not a viable long-term strategy.



The implied message permeating the cycle of violence argument is that whenever Israel defends itself, it is to blame for entering a spiral of interminable death and destruction. Yet Israel's peace with Jordan and Egypt shows that the cycle of violence can be broken. These two Muslim nations ended the cycle of violence with Israel when their leadership accepted the fact that Israel exists and abandoned the Arab mantra of "pushing Israel into the sea". Only when the Palestinian people demand of their leadership to recognize and respect Israel will the cycle of violence stop.



5. GENOCIDE – This charge is a red flag. Anyone who claims that Israel is or has in any of its previous conflicts attempted genocide is either ignorant of the meaning of the word – direct them to a dictionary and point out that Hamas' targeting of densely populated civilian centers does fit the definition – or hopelessly full of hate and a toxic ideology directed at Israel. Don't waste your time trying to change this person's mind. No amount of logic, reasoning or facts will succeed. Your opponent only continues to rely on bombastic claims, loaded words, slogans and personal epithets.



This is a justified war and I hope that Israel sees it through until Hamas is removed from power. My own criticism of Israel (about which I've also written at length in the past) is that this initiative comes nearly four years too late.



In 2005, Israel uprooted its remaining settlements in the Gaza Strip and turned over Gaza's keys to the Palestinians. Notwithstanding, within hours of Israel's complete withdrawal, Palestinian rockets continued to land on sovereign Israeli land. Israel ignored the rocket fire. Not surprisingly, the rocket fire continued unabated until, more than 3,000 Kassam rockets PER YEAR later, the government decided that too many was enough.



Israel's mistake was not to respond to the very first rocket. Its lack of response encouraged the next 10,045-plus rockets. Terrorism, like any other behavior, only exists because it is tolerated.
anonymous
2009-01-19 06:26:34 UTC
Really sounds like they just want peace...just like the Pashtun Muslims in Pakistan that go around blowing up schools.
Phil
2009-01-19 06:32:57 UTC
I think it is talking about the faith they have that the aggressors will perish eventually. They will fight as a group and will not fear death. Whether it is white phosphorous bombs in civilian areas or atomic bombs, or killing of civilians or children, they will still not fear and fight for their rights and for truth and for justice. A few dumbheads reading between lines and understanding only what they want to understand with their corrupted and media manipulated minds is also not going to stop them from fighting for their genuine cause.
Repairmanjack
2009-01-19 05:54:44 UTC
Anyone with any sense knows that Hamas are barbaric terrorists...and the Palestinians voted them in!



"As Israel persists in its military efforts -- by ground, air and sea -- to protect its citizens from deadly Hamas rockets, and as protests against Israel increase around the world, the success of the abominable Hamas double war crime strategy becomes evident. The strategy is as simple as it is cynical: Provoke Israel by playing Russian roulette with its children, firing rockets at kindergartens, playgrounds and hospitals; hide behind its own civilians when firing at Israeli civilians; refuse to build bunkers for its own civilians; have TV cameras ready to transmit every image of dead Palestinians, especially children; exaggerate the number of civilians killed by including as "children" Hamas fighters who are 16 or 17 years old and as "women," female terrorists.



Hamas itself has a name for this. They call it "the CNN strategy"



According to the Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers "2004 Global Report on the Use of Child Soldiers", there were at least nine documented suicide attacks involving Palestinian children between October 2000 and March 2004



According to the Palestinian Human Rights Monitoring Group, in the al-Aqsa Intifada, Palestinian military folk have used children as "messengers and couriers, and in some cases as fighters and suicide bombers in attacks on Israeli soldiers and civilians



The issue was first brought to world attention after a widely televised incident in which a mentally handicapped Palestinian teenager, Hussam Abdo, was disarmed at an Israeli checkpoint



Consider this quote:



Excerpts from a speech by Hamas MP Fathi Hammad, broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008:

Fathi Hammad: [The enemies of Allah] do not know that the Palestinian people has developed its [methods] of death and death-seeking. For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: "We desire death like you desire life." (THIS IS THE MOST MORALLY BANKRUPT STATEMENT I HAVE EVER HEARD!!)



Hamas’s Al-Aqsa TV called upon children to form a human shield at the home of Abu al-Hatal of the a-Shouqaf quarter of Sajaiyeh in order to protect the building from an anticipated IDF airstrike.



Gazan women were used as human shields to allow besieged Hamas gunmen to flee from Israeli forces in Beit Hanun.



The IAF warned Muhammad Weil Baroud, responsible for firing Kassam rockets at Israel, to evacuate his home in Beit Lahiya in advance of an air strike. Instead, hundreds of locals, mostly women and children, were recruited to Baroud's house. Israel suspended the air strike, lest these human shields be harmed. In response to the incident, Hamas crowed: "We won. From now on we will form human chains around every house threatened with demolition."



There are many, many more examples. THIS TACTIC WOULD NOT WORK IF THE ISRAELIS WERE THE BARBARIANS HAMAS IS.
Canute
2009-01-19 09:29:13 UTC
What do their non-Muslim supporters think about it?
anonymous
2009-01-19 05:53:21 UTC
And yet.. people will continue to mindlessly support them.
X
2009-01-19 06:00:51 UTC
what do you think of this?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA3QzmWTp20&feature=PlayList&p=31FC229C1B3B1A4B&playnext=1&index=24



just b/c hamas say something doest mean israel have the right to occupy someone else's land and treat them like ****. hams was formed to resist zionist agression and occupation. they are freedom fighters and thats why they have support in their country.

and i'm sure they mean to defeat the zionists and the americans (the govt) that export illegal weapons to the zionist state and show double standards.
Skidoo
2009-01-19 06:01:20 UTC
These are shocking statements, but as far as I can tell, they are also not recent.



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178020746583&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull



http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1178020746583&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer


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