OK, So here's the facts as I see it.?

Question

Some people on here don't want to know that Portugal has a shady background where child trafficking & abuse is concerned. Those same people are the ones who call for justice for Maddy but in reality - you don't care if she is found or not. Or they care about is that they were proved right all along that her parents did it.

That little girl could be or is still out there on her own without her parents. Scared, tired & full of fear. She could be in the most unthinkable place but who really cares? - DO YOU?

I don't see anyone shouting the odds as the police have called off the search. All I see is a bunch of people trying to get one up on each other over who is right and who is wrong.

Some members should be ashamed of their actions & thoughts on here.

What if she is still out there?

What if the police give up?

She will just be another statistic and forgotten

They need to keep on looking for her until shown other wise that sadly she is dead.

Answer 1

Well said, you highlighted a fact that even I didn't know that Portugal has a thriving child trafficking industry and after doing a search for the subject of it... http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geumf6iepGMMoASaBLBQx.?p=child+trafficking+in+Portugal&y=Search&fr=&rd=r1

It brings up the other issues with the place.



Not the sort of country I would want to go on holiday to...

Answer 2

In first place when you refer to another country you have to be careful with your accusations.

I'm Portuguese my wife is Scottish since I arrived I've heard more stories over here then maybe my all life in Portugal.

Yes there is a big case with politicians which it really disgust me I'll take that's the abuse part.

Yes there was traffic of an international Belgian paedophile organisation in Madeira island which was sorted even any Belgium for same time were not allowed there.

Over here just yesterday I've seen a 5 year old girl went to the local shop spent quite a long time there (from my point of view) about 10 to 15m where her parents weren't even near or on the street. Never seen that where I come from and it was my wife who called my attention.

I have a 2 year old girl and from day one always made a remark What about Madeleine?

But no everybody seem to care more or try to justify about this bad parents actions.

Anybody who have children knows what I'm saying:

1st - Children always

2nd- Protect yourself to protect your children

3rd- Don't try to blame somebody else when you find you are wrong.

Let's try to be a bit more concerned about this poor little girl than her "parents".

And just to finish about the following the source it was Scotland Yard:

In Britain the number of missing children it is higher then the last century in Portugal. Information wise!



EDIT: http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geumcSjOpGYN0ANUtLBQx.?p=child+trafficking+in+uk&fr=&rd=r1

Answer 3

"Some people on here don't want to know that Portugal has a shady background where child trafficking & abuse is concerned " ... do you have some proof to backup this ? Do you have a link to a study that backups this statment? Is the pedophilie in portugal a bigger issue then in England ?

Why people like you prefre to believe that this kind of things only happens in other countrys ?



"She will just be another statistic and forgotten" ... how many children have disapeared in England since Maddie disapeared ? They went straigth to the statistics didn't they ?



Please don't speak about a country you don't know nothing about ... what you are claiming is simply crap





EDIT cheek_of_it_all : well , try and do the same thing about the UK : http://uk.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geumcSjOpGYN0ANUtLBQx.?p=child+trafficking+in+uk&fr=&rd=r1 . Not very diferent , right ?

Answer 4

Kitten I care as do thousands of other people.



I really think it is about time the Portuguese government started an investigation into child trafficking in their own country.



I also think that Madeleine is still alive and can only hope that she is with a family who will love and care for as her own. This will not make things right for her but it will be better than the unthinkable suggestions put forward as to her fate.

Answer 5

I thought the police have evidence that poor wee Madeleine is dead!

Isn't that what the forensics showed up?

If her parents are innocent then the search would be resumed, but lets face it, this has went world wide and I'm sure people will still be looking!

Her face will be etched on peoples minds!

I wonder why the Madeleine fund can't still be used to hire some of the worlds best Private detectives?

Answer 6

I agree with you.



However, I think that the reason that many people believe that her parents have something to do with her disappearance is based upon the fact that they show little emotion (until they were made aguidos) and that they seem to have shown more interest in jogging and fundraising than actual LOOKING for their daughter. They have sat back and allowed people to donate to a fund that has been allegedly set up to pay for looking for their missing child but for 4 months, nothing has physically been done to search for her.



So, whereas I agree that it would be a shame if Madeleine became another statistic and that people will give up looking for her, I think that Madeleine's own parents didn't even bother to START looking for her - they have sat back for photo opportunities and let everyone else do the 'hard' work.



*That* is why people are pointing the finger at the McCanns - the only REAL FACT in this whole case is that these parents left three children under the age of 4, alone whilst they went out to eat. That is the only FACT. Anything else is completely unknown. Based on the FACTS, I blame the parents. But it doesn't stop me thinking of Madeleine.

Answer 7

the pj have evidence to support the theory that she is likely dead. what evidence have you got to show she may have been abducted. portugal just as any other country has child trafficking etc and yet you do not seem to be worried about that fact. oh, we do care that she is found but we are realists and so far evidence point to the fact that she is likely dead. we care more to see that justice is done and those responsible are brought to justice. if her parents did indeed do it or played a part in it yes, they should pay the price.



if madeleine is still out there, scard, tired and lonely as you put it, ask yourself why?. because her parents wanted nights with their friends drinking without having to worry about the children. have you the link that shows the police have called of the search...they are still looking but just for a body.



shouldn't you be ashamed cause all you see is through your rose tinted glasses that the parents could not having anything to do with her disappearance.....maybe you should wake up!

Answer 8

If it is well know that Portugal has a shady background where child trafficking and abuse is concerned, then why oh why did Madeleine's parents leave three babies alone in an unlocked room?



That's negligence through and through.



Of course I care about madeleine, just a shame her parents didn't isn't it?

Answer 9

Yes she could still be alive and out there if the forensic evidence is all completely wrong. They (British forensics) have found body fluids in the boot of a car that show a 88% to Maddy. These fluids and hair samples suggest that it came from a dead body. The Cadaver dog (which I dont think have ever been proved incorrect) detected the smell of a dead body in the apartment, in the McCann hire car, and on some of Kate's clothes.



I dont jump up and down and think 'that's great news'. Its a f*cking family tragedy - it really is - but I find it hard to conceive how the PJ could have made up and planted such accurate DNA evidence (they are hardly lead players in DNA science are they?!) and then got British forensics in 'to find it' all over the McCann sites. Sorry I dont think that is possible.

Answer 10

Well said. I don't know who has taken/killed her, but the focus seems to have gone from finding this poor little soul to finding someone to be the whipping boy for the crime. I don't think it is especially helpful all the allegations that are being printed in newspapers as coming from various 'sources close to the family' either, to me they are purely speculation. I sincerely hope she is still alive, but the more time passes the less likely that becomes.



Can I just add that I do not support or agree with the McCanns having left their children unattended, but I seem to remember that people are supposed to be presumed innocent until there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that they are guilty.

Answer 11

I have not seen them giving up. You think because they have evidence that the parents are involved is giving up? Statistically speaking it is more likely her parents then a pedophile ring. Why are people so set on clearing the parents who could very possibly be the only key to finding out what really happened. Don't you want Madeleine found?

Answer 12

I totally agree the search needs to continue how can they give up on a poor innocent child

Even if te unthinkable has happned does this child not deserve a proper burial

Answer 13

Well.... it might have something to do with finding Maddie's bodily fluids being found in the trunk of a car rented by the McCanns, not to mention that the police say they analyzed the bodily fluids and have determined that Maddie overdosed on sleeping pills.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=481642&in_page_id=1811&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=picbox&ct=5

Answer 14

Have you ever taken a step back and had a serious look at some of the awful things we allow to happen and cover up inside our own society here in the UK...?



To assume that just because they are not Brits... everyone else is stupid... ill trained... backward... or they're bad... mad... sick... and out for framing everyone... pretty much sums up the accusers as bigoted... racist... and lacking education... as well as human insight!



Why go abroad on holiday... to other peoples lands... if all aliens are not worthy of respect!



Digging dirt on anyone who opposes our view... is the oldest trick in the book... and none of us is innocent of everything... and all of us have some past mistakes we don't want airing... which have no relation to the case in question!



Stop slating the personalities... and stick to facts about the case in question...

Answer 15

If Madeleine is found alive I will personally donate £50 to the McCann fund, and write them a letter of apology. That's a promise.

Answer 16

With reference to your last point: The police investigation has led them to believe that poor Maddy is dead. Her 'bodily fluids' in the hire car with excessive levels of a sedative is pretty strong evidence that she's no longer alive. This has become a murder enquiry - not a search for a missing person and all of their efforts must be put into getting justice for Maddy.

Answer 17

you could not of seen any of my replies,i keep asking for the search to go on ,i have emailed the fund social services and anyone else i could think of,because as you say she is still out there somewhere,alive hopefully but if not she still needs to be found...Madeleine is the main thing here nothing or nobody else...lets just find her....

Answer 18

But Mittens what you are just not accepting, is the fact that the police MAY already have the proof she is dead and it hasnt been leaked yet to us.

I think you will be surprised by the amount of info they have and only some of it is getting out. They have proof she is dead in my opinion. Its just a matter of time before the body is discovered.

I think you are going to be very upset when her body is found because of your unshakable attitude on this.

Answer 19

you right that poor child could be out there, scared and alone, so why are her mom and dad in England, if it was my little girl wild horses couldn't drag me away,id scour the whole bloody country on my hands and knees if i had to but leave nnnnooooowwwaaaay

Answer 20

i think if they didnt have good reason to believe she was dead they would still be looking dont you,they know the worlds media is watching they are not that stupid, sounds to me like its been proved shes not alive but treading carefully as who to blame.

Answer 21

i think the police have to be open minded.

they need to continue looking..... but look where ?

they also need to look at all angles without being emotional.

in a way , they are being professional. they refuse to play to the media, which wants to inturn satidfy our curuiosity.

Answer 22

Great question, all you will get from the McCann Hate Mob will be, ' but if they didn't neglect them' blah blah blah.

They refuse to look at the bigger picture and just want to see the parents burnt at the stake for their mistake rather than solve this case like civilised people should.

Answer 23

Nothing you haev said is a fact, and is just your opinion.



Is it inly you that is allowed opinions, or are others allowed them too?

Answer 24

I live in Venezuela...in my city there are about 8 kidnappings a day. most of them children



Go to Darfur, and children are kidnapped, raped and killed on a daily basis...all over africa. And Beckham doesn't get all worked up about it



Give it a rest and be happy you're safe

Answer 25

Absolutely right sweetheart.

Answer 26

The McCanns still neglected their children

Answer 27

very good points,but the truth will only come out when she is found.

Answer 28

i reckon she was shipped its sad and the mccans were the right ppl 2 steel a child off they rn great perants leavig her alone well she waz asleep did u here about the girl snatched from the bath its sick

Answer 29

If shes still alive i bet her new parents wont leave her on her own to go for a meal.

Answer 30

I believe the police have evidence she is dead.



Is that not good enough for you???

Answer 31

Thank you mittens you have pricked my conscience a little.

Answer 32

interestin

Answer 33

here here!