Question:
Are you happy with the three party stitch up or will you be voting for AV.?
anonymous
2011-03-31 17:07:45 UTC
Personally I would have preferred proportional representation but AV will at least end the political jobs for life culture. Also it means that voting for any other than the big three will NO LONGER be a wasted vote.
Ten answers:
anonymous
2011-03-31 18:45:24 UTC
Not as good as PR but anything is better than the undemocratic stitch up we have now,
The Rikstir XIX
2011-04-01 00:41:28 UTC
Sorry to have to tell you this but AV won't change anything for the better . If it was going to be true PR I would certainly of voted in favour but the will never allowe PR as it would garenty seats for the BNP , UKIP and the Greens , maybe even Respect .



AV has been designed to favour the Lib Dems and no one else . Under AV second votes only come into play if there is no 51% majority by any candidate , except in a handfull of extremelly marginal seats , all that means is which ever of the big three get the most second votes will get the seat . Tory voters will never vote for Labour and vise versa , supporters of the small parties are too thinly spread to get anyone in . In PR there are no constituancies and seats are allocated by the percentage of the national vote , this is the only way the small parties will ever get seats .



AV will in fact just create everlasting hung parliments which in turn will mean coalition after coalition , Lab Lab followed by Con Dem and then back again . So in effect it will just be a two party system again .



FPP isn't perfect but at least you get a government that can actually get what they want do done . Vote no on AV then get out there and campaign for true PR . Remember though , under PR UAF won't be able to flood areas and pervert the results through a smear campaign . Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people who wanted to vote BNP before but saw it as a waste will vote BNP . Many Tory voters who have been voting to keep Labour out , will switch to UKIP . Support for the big three will plumet , I think that they would be lucky to keep 60% of the seats between them , UKIP would become a major player and possibly force renegotiation with the EU , that's why they will never let us have it .
anonymous
2011-04-01 02:24:24 UTC
If you believe that AV will end the 'political jobs for life culture', you are living on cloud cuckoo.



Do you really believe that the Millibands and Cameron will be anywhere other than a safe seat?



And what if they do, by some persons 6th vote, lose? Well, they do a Kinnock and Mandelson and get into either the EU and/or the Lords, get political appointments to some quango or another.



The only people getting lit up by this non-subject are the political activists/elite who see a way to keep power, award contracts to their mates for the voting equipment, jobs for their cronies and families, and 'lovies' like actors who want a Knighthood, like dining with politicians and unreformed zealots and champagne socialists like multi-millionaire Mary Jenkins - Polly Toynbee to Garuniad readers.



And what part of the 'party stitch up' do you like about the current coalition? I only ask because there will be a lot more coalitions if AV is adopted.



And what part of 'one person, one vote' is wrong? Why should one person get 3, 4, 5 or even 6 votes while most only get 1? Their first vote is still wasted for some, but they get another chance and another chance and another chance. You could argue that anybody who has not had their candidate, under any system, has wasted their vote. The way to stop votes being 'wasted' is to have enough support that you stand a chance of being elected.



Often, I would have liked to vote 'None of the above' because the candidates and policies were rubbish, but I voted anyway because that is what you do in a democracy.



If you are worried about the system, think that only 3 countries use AV; Australia, Fiji and Papau New Guinea. Australia had to introduce compulsory voting because people didn't like AV and didn't vote, and are now looking at reverting to first past the post, Fiji is dropping it and nobody knows what is happening in Papau New Guinea.



There are far more pressing 'political stitch ups' to worry about, such as: Scots, Welsh and NI votes on purely English matters, the subsidies given to the provinces at the expense of the English Taxpayer, the democratic and financial deficit with the EU, all with no democratic input from the voters. Surely these are more worthy of an expensive referendum. Hey, they can cough up for referenda on Scots (several times), Welsh (several times) and Northern Irish devolution, if Hartlepool should have a mayor, and even on AV. But, they cannot cough up for referenda that matter to the taxpayer.



Finally, do you like the idea of small parties being able to hold the nation to ransom because they hold the balance of power? It will happen, the Law of Unintended Consequences tells us it will.
Mr Sceptic
2011-03-31 17:23:49 UTC
There's a lot to be said for PR, but AV isn't even close to that.



AV is fundamentally wrong, because it gives some people two or more votes. If someone votes for the no-hoper who finishes last, they then get a second vote, and perhaps even a third. This makes a nonsense of the principle of "one person, one vote".
Disgruntled the Cat with the Hat
2011-03-31 17:34:25 UTC
This has already been asked three times today but anyway ...I will vote no because I would hate to see all the protest votes going to someone like the BNP when all the second and third and so on choices are all added together. I doubt they would get to govern but they could have a lot more candidates and influence in our parliament and I don't care for that at all!
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2011-03-31 20:08:48 UTC
Nothing will change whether we have AV or not. The Tories will still be pandering to their wealthy financiers, Labour will still be in the pockets of the unions and the Libs will still be sitting on the fence waiting to pick up the crumbs. We will still be stuck with the same old corrupt MPs fleecing us and lining their own pockets.It doesn't matter who we vote for we still end up with the government. What we need is someone in power who's going to be on our side for a change, or is that concept just too radical?
?
2011-03-31 17:15:47 UTC
I can see what you're getting at, but really, the AV is more than likely going to direct votes towards the middle. There may be anomalous results, where a BNP candidate gets in, but that is less likely than the Liberal guy winning, as he is between the Labour and Conservative vote.



It is a way of persuading people away from the tactical vote, but I suspect the results will mean more Liberals getting seats than they actually should have. It could actually result in a Liberal Government elected on secondary votes and nobody really being happy with it.



PR was the only real way forward.
Steptoe
2011-03-31 23:39:12 UTC
First past the post isn't ideal but its preferable to AV, that system is fundamentally flawed, you will see people in effect having more than one vote - no i think the concept of one man/woman one vote is better. Besides Red Ed endorses it, so it must be crap....stands to reason....
anonymous
2011-03-31 17:10:33 UTC
I just got my card for voting , to be honest not one of them is worthy of my vote
Rum Cove
2011-04-01 10:12:50 UTC
If it ain't broke, smash it to bits.


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