Brexit - Should we have voted leave?

Question

I voted to stay in the EU simply because I didn’t know a lot about the repercussions or benefits and I didn’t see any problems with how we were.

I also thought a lot of the information about brexit was extremely biased and almost propaganda.

Does anyone have an unbiased, knowledgeable view on whether the U.K. made a mistake voting leave?

Was I wrong to have voted stay?

Answer 1

You may not have chance to vote again. It is a politican game in the Parliament now. May should adopt some suggestions from the Labor party in order toget through.

Answer 2

You did the right thing, you were misinformed by the fifth column brexiters who's primary objective is to derail and ruin the economy of the UK and suppress a democracy that the peole have fought and worked for- the passed three hundred years.



The brexiters want to change the UK into a UKIP national-conservative dictatorship.



There's nothing to be gained by walking away from our trade agreements and membership of the EU, doing so will only bring grief to the ordinary people of the UK.



Unlike others, you were knowledgeable in the fact that there was not enough reliable and factual information upon which one could base and make an informed decision about our relationship to the EU.



You chose wisely, by voting stay.

Answer 3

I'm not British, of course, but I think Brexit is the right thing. Imagine a bunch of Euros telling you all what to do. You have become the slaves your grandparents sang they would never become.

Answer 4

It's not like you can weigh anchor and go somewhere else.

Answer 5

Of course we should, don't let a few remoaning losers, tell you ANYTHING different.

Answer 6

Nobody's wrong, whichever way they voted. You were simply asked to make a choice as to which you'd prefer. To stick with what we have inside the EU, or to try something new.

Quite obviously nobody knew what life outside the EU can or would be. OK a few of we oldsters know what it used to be like, but even we can't predict exactly how things will go on the outside now. Times change.

So leave was the riskier option. The adventurer's choice. But there's a lot to be said for the safety of what we know has worked. But does it work well? Not entirely, and quite aside from how trade deals with go outside, and how lonely it will feel as a separate country, I think that the federated Europe the EU is seeking, is not for us.

Look at how undecided and divisive opinions were among member nations over the hordes of refugees arriving from the African continent. Then 28 member nations, and not a decision for all able to be made. And yet this arrogant organisation wants us to operate as one country and to have its own defence force. Of course it's an inefficient way in which to try to run anything. Further all is not quite as rosy inside as member nations would have us believe.

It won't be a bed of roses outside but life will go on. And we'll evolve and grow in a new way on our own. The more timid are of course more afraid than those who believe in change, but for sure some things will turn out for the better and some for the worse. That's life!

Answer 7

People voted to how they saw the political situation at the time of the original referendum.. since then times and views have changed which probably means that if there was another referendum the vote would be reversed.

Answer 8

No, because none of us knew much about the EU or how it gave us support, how we could exert a wider influence on the world with its backing than by ourselves, and how we have rejected or changed some EU ideas and regulations like adopting euro currency while helping to keep links between nations previously at war and contracts legally binding across borders. You are right in that impartial knowledge is still rare.

Answer 9

YES. Leave was the correct answer.

Answer 10

Voting leave was the right thing to do. Subsequent events have proved that.

Answer 11

How would you have voted from mum's basement ?

Answer 12

Yes Brexit is good for Britain,Britain SHOULD Be Britain!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Answer 13

NO and the USA shouldn't have elected TRUMP.

Answer 14

As a Londoner, like the majority of Londoners, I voted 'remain'. Howerver, when the result came to leave the EU I simply accepted the wish of the majority, for that is what democracy means to me. It starts with the Greek word, Demos, The People.



Our main problem (if that's the right way of thinking of it), is that we have a 1,000 year old parliament - we have a Parliamentary Democracy wherein the people elect a person from within their own ranks to go to the House of Commons and speak on their behalf.



No matter how noisey and muddled the House of Commons may seem, it's members are trying their best to represent the people who voted for them and that means multi-opinions - even though an MP may be a member of a given political party, that does not mean he/she must always agree with the Party line - indeed most do not, instead they listen to their Constituency Party and follow their thinking, plus the sack load of letters, whirlwindof e-mails and etc they get daily to deal with. It's not a job I would want, ever.



But no matter what, we've decided to leave the EU and that's where we're going no matter what.



"Democracy is the worst form of government, save all those tried before."

Winston S Churchill and he should know - one day while sitting in his office at No.10 and aide rushed into say, "Prime Minister your Bill has passed in the House by only one vote." Winston looked up and said, "One is enough."



Pericles of Athens once described democracy as the most dangerous form of government ever invented. Yet he was so popular he was elected to powr continuously for thirrty years - at one point, becoming exasperated with the endless debate about whether or not to build the Parthenon, Pericles declared, "If you do not make up your minds, I will build it myself and name it after me." That broke the log jam in the Assembly and soon work began on the only public building in the world to have been built following a democratic vote.



Perhaps wer need Pereicles more than ever.



Just do as I do and sit back and enjoy it all, but stop reading the online rags about it.



"Today in Brexit. . . .blah blah blah effington blah"

Answer 15

I think it’s difficult for anyone to give an unbiased opinion because we are all bias about this. Part of that reason is that we don’t really know how this is going to play out. Although leavers cite the way things were before we joined Europe as an example of the way it can work or the way it used to be, problem is we did join and have been part of it for years. No one knows how deconstructing it will affect the UK. Those who said remain, knew things were fairly secure in Europe and many went with the better the devil you know attitude. Ultimately, none of us can truly say how good or bad this will be until it happens and some time passes. All any of us really have at this moment are opinions.

Answer 16

It depends on your viewpoint if you should have voted to leave or stay.



Always remember that many countries that are not in the EU are doing just fine and many countries in the EU are also doing just fine. Beyond that it is all scare mongering by one side or the other.



If you believe that the UK should be totally in charge of it's own laws, trade treaties and international relations then obviously you would want to leave.



If you believe that UK is better being in a league of nations under common trade practices, immigration laws, and human rights conventions then you would want to stay.



Unfortunately like all things political, 80% of what you hear is false and 20% of what you hear is true. There are valid arguments for staying and leaving it just depends on your world view. There has been a referendum on leaving that expressed the will of the people to leave. It would be very risky for the political establishment to now ignore that referendum and decide to stay or call another vote hoping for another outcome. That sort of thing is usually in the realm despotic governments.

Answer 17

for what?

Answer 18

They did, but your leaders said no.

Answer 19

Obviously no... After all, we were told so many lies by the Brexiters.

Answer 20

Yes, and would do so again.

Answer 21

It would appear that it doesn't matter if you'd have voted leave - the EU and the establishment just aren't going to let it happen.

Answer 22

20:20 hindsight is a wonderful thing, unfortuately it's as rarely seen as rocking horse shyte.



I saw no reason to change my 1970's remain vote in 2016 and even less reasons to think about doing so today. The idea of the European project is to prevent WW3 starting in Europe as a result of meddling by hostile powers both within and without. The benefits of a single unified market are undeniable. The chances of a WW3 Euro army coming about are much higher without the UK inside the EU.



So many reasons to remain, so few to leave. Sovereignty doesn't feed anyone and instead only makes already rich speculators richer still. Nationalism is a very debilitating disease for the ordinary people.

Answer 23

Unless the referendum result was a thumping majority for leave say 2/1 for leave (which was never going to be the case) I don't think it matters which way you voted regarding Brexit TBH as this Parliament as well as the last never had intention of respecting the result if it went against what they wanted, which for the majority of them in Parliament was for the UK to remain either in the EU as a fully paid up member or if need be, be shackled to it in some way like some obedient medieval serf of old.



So with that in mind the next time you me or anybody else hear's of one of our illustrious MPs using disparaging remarks towards other countries for their lack democracy and respect for their voters, at least I know where my thoughts will be, where will yours and millions of others be, I wonder.



What have they done.

Answer 24

Enough people voted Leave to swing the vote because they had been conned by Vote Leave into believing that Turkey was about to join the EU giving millions of Turkish workers the right flood in.



Vote Leave knew raising the issue of Turkey's accession would be a "game changer" (Arron Banks' description), "change the face of the debate" (Breitbart) and could "swing the vote" (Daily Express) because that had been predicted on the basis of an opinion poll in March 2016. Why else would they have devoted their final mail shot and millions of social media messages to propagating the lie?

Answer 25

I voted to leave and nothing has happened since to make me change my mind.

Answer 26

HI having lived in the united kingdom for three decades before we went it to being part of europe also having been told NO several times when we wanted to to join by the the french leader Charles de gualle. he knew we would not be happy with any arrangements that would include us. so having been told no and now we see why. our farmers where not better off due to our subsidies being cut over the years. due to our ability to be more profitable than our french counter parts. it combined with non elected members of other governments wanting more money from britain was proved when the french riots in the streets as a result of them having to pay extra fuel duty as we britain is leaving the EU. so ask yourself who have been MUGS allowing these europeans to take the P*ss these last 40 years.

Answer 27

Well fwiw, we both voted Remain and that wasn't because we felt everything re the EU was good, quite the reverse re how involved Brussels had become in the internal running of this country. However, fact is NOBODY, not even Cameron it seems knew what a Leave vote would mean. And THAT'S what was so wrong with all of this. Talking to my neighbour (big mistake) about this at the time the vote was taken, I gather her worry concerned all the money going to the EU when it should have been going to the NHS. She wasn't into the immigration situation, being from Colombia (here for decades) but she felt enough was enough and voted Leave. After a lot of thought, we voted to Remain, believing the UK needed to be in the EU with a VOICE - not some small off-shore country. Like it or not, we do have more ties with Europe, than not. Had we been able to stay, over time we should have been able to negotiate within the EU re all the things we in the UK didn't like. I believe that Parliament knew the advantages of staying within the EU - which is something Jo Public couldn't know. So we now have May between a rock and a hard place. An insulted and inflexible EU and a Parliament made up of individuals with their own personal agendas.. All of which = CHAOS.

Answer 28

Yes. absolutely. I voted Leave in the referendum. Having seen the way the EU has behaved since I am now even more convinced we need to get out.

Answer 29

"because I didn’t know a lot about the repercussions or benefits and I didn’t see any problems with how we were. "



The European Union is a globalist entity that has a vile agenda which will destroy many desirable and protective human, societal and global characteristics (some of which are irreplaceable) to realise its goals.

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Desirable attributes that the European Union's inherent qualities threaten (notice the word 'inherent'), including but not limited to:



1) Maximum protection against internal threats (pro-EU politicians are enemy personnel who will subvert, the organisation removes racial and cultural definition (which have massive tactical value), etc).

2) Maximum protection against external threats (its pan-European and multiracialism-oriented system facilitates Islam and Islamification with all of their deadly and destructive effects, South Asian child rape gangs (1,500+ victims), belligerent African activity, hostile espionage, alien tribe subversion (How long before a 2009 Fort Hood Shooting-like attack?), grievance-mongering, etc). These aspects are all enabled by uninhibited racial heterogeneity and continue to be so.

3) Full sovereignty and autonomy (the European Union is a federal system that seeks to assimilate all other European nations and force its malignant and hostile conditions on them). Loss of sovereignty renders civilisations and other entities vulnerable to external elements.

4) Maximum general physical attractiveness (its pan-European and multiracialism-oriented system inherently threatens British and Scandinavian racial demographics, which, at this time, are the only ones that maintain this attribute) The result: Gradual reduction and eventual elimination of almost all seriously good-looking people in society. The proportions continue to decline (more rapidly now, with the assimilation of non-European races). This aspect has several essential defensive properties.



It must be emphasised that the organisation threatens other desirable attributes too.



It also has an affinity for totalitarian laws, corruption, deceit and exacerbation of economic problems.

Answer 30

I voted to stay for similar reasons, although I could see a lot wrong with the EU - it is undemocratic and is aiming to create a United States of Europe. Dissenters are steam-rollered until they give in - a bit like us now, everything the EU does is designed to make it hard to leave.



I would definitely vote to leave if asked again, but we should not be, Remainers have no intention of respecting a second Brexit vote

Answer 31

Read the "Lisbon Treaty" papers and see what happens to this country if we don't leave.

Answer 32

The simple answer is no. And why? Because at the time of the vote it was very biased to leave Brexit. No one knew any information about it or even what both sides of the coin held. All we know is what the government and the BBC wanted us to know.

Answer 33

you can only vote the way you feel at the time you vote



there is a lot of bullsh//t pushed by both sides - but mostly by brexiteers



the cost to YOU of being in the EU is about £2.5/day



the cost to YOU of the amount the UK gives in foreign aid is about £2.8/day



NO country in the world is in 100% control of what happens inside it



What happens in EVERY country depends on the value of its currency

THAT is determined by the international market which comprises every country in the world



YOU will never be in control of what happens in this country

the government and parliament will, and you will only get chance to change things when there is an election

The problem will ALWAYS be - that government has ot take decisions based on whats best for the country (if you happen to be worse off as a result then tough)

the key thing that government MUST do is try to keep the value of the countr's currency as stable as it can



(when the referendum voted to leave the EU the value of the £ fell by 15% - bet the prices you pay in shops has gone up



In 1992 those markets decided the £ was overvalued - so its "value" in the market started to drop

TO try to keep its value where it was- Normal Lamont increased the bank rate up to 15% (that would have put mortgage rates up to about 18%) also also pumped around £2 billion into the market to keep the value of the £ up

HE failed - the UK lost that £2bill , and the £ dropped in value by 25% (so EVERYTHING we bought from other countries cos a hellova lot more than they did a week before (a decrease in value of the £ by 25% means you need to find 33% more £s to achieve the same amount of the currency you are buying

for example you are buying something from the US that costs $100 the £ is trading at 2$ to every 1£

(you sell 1£ you get 2$ in return) - so day 1 you only need to find £50 to trade into the $100 you need to buy it - But day 2 the £ now drops in value by 25% - so now you dont get $100 for your £50 - you only get $75

if you still wanna buy you need to get another $25 and thats gonna cost you another £16.7

So what would have cost you £50 yesterday is now gonna costs you £66.67 and THATS an increase of 33% over what you originally needed



(I was in process of buying some hi- tech equipment from the US at the time- WE had to terminate the purchase cos its price went way beyond our budget . Unfortunately there was nothing even close to it available in the UK - so NOT getting it set my company back I reckon about 5 years)



THATS how much control the UK has in controlling its own affairs



It only has SOME control over what happens INSIDE the UK - it has little control over what happens with the UK in relation to other countries



One last thing-

1) AFTER the UK leaves the EU the EU will STILL be the 2nd largest economy IN THE WORLD - YES its bigger than china's

2) AFTER brexit there will be 480 MILLION people in the EU - THAT's a higher population than the US Theirs is 360 million_ - WE are 62 million

3) WE import 60% of ALL we import from the EU

WE export 40% or EVERYTHING we export to the EU

YES the EU will be affected when we leave the EU - but WE will be affected a hellova lot more - cos the stuff we import/export to them is a large part of our economy but only a small part of the EU economy (remember even without the UK the EU will STILL the 2nd biggest economy IN THE WORLD)



4) YES we will be able negotiate our own trade agreement with the rest of the world BUT thats gonna take time - What are we gonna do until then?

YES we can rely on WTO rules- but NOBODY can be forced to trade with us unless THEY want to



AND WTO rules aint anywhere near as good as the ones we already have with the EU and trade deals the EU has negotiated with the rest of the world on our behalf -

- you buy new zealand lamb ? - If so thats thanks to a trade ageement the EU has negotiated with NZ



If there is a "no deal" then you wont be ABLE to buy NZ lamb any more until the UK gets a trade agreement with them - cos its the EU that has the agreement and WE wont be part of the EU any more



5) brexiteers think that by leaving the EU we will be able to control immigration

We have ALWAYS been able to control immigration from non- EU countries

ONLY thing thats gonna change after brexit is the countries they come from

(last immigration figures- immigration from EU gone down - immigration from rest of world gone up

Overall immigration has increased but now its mostly from rest of world by far (which we have ALWAYS been able to control)



6) brexiteers also think that by leaving the EU we can put the UK back to where it was in the world 50 years ago

WE cant - THAT world dont exist any more- EVERY country in the world has moved on in those 50+ years

(WE lost the ability to dictate to other countries what they could and couldnt do long before even then)

Answer 34

No, we are far stronger as part of a large block when trading with the world, its better for security and environmental issues too, there's no good reason to leave the EU, the only reason people want to leave is because shady tax dodgers don't want to support workers rights or protect our environment or adhere to any safety regulations, plus they want to keep hiding money in offshore accounts, something the EU has been cracking down on.