Question:
Did anyone see the documentary last night on BBC2 at 11pm?
2011-07-30 10:04:40 UTC
Quite incredible. It was on young people being killed in gun and knife crime. One story I think in Bristol, regarded a boy stabbed to death in an alley. He was tended to by a passing nurse.She was then asked to give evidence of what she saw and did (she didn't see the murderer) but she was routinely threatened by the gang that did it, such threats as her little boy of 3 would be raped if she "grassed". Another one in London was also stabbed to death by a rival postcode gang. At the funeral the mother was saying a disproportionate number of black boys were being stabbed/shot and it needed to stop. When they came out of the funeral the vicar had to halt the procession because the rival gang responsible for the stabbing arrived and started to fight with the mourners. We all know these gangs are scum but to arrive en mass at a funeral and upset the family etc is beyond comprehension. Is there an answer to all this?
Nine answers:
2011-07-30 10:50:44 UTC
Society IS becoming more violent and more unsafe and I totally disagree with trying to blame the Police for this.



Fathers are deserting their children and leaving mothers to bring up their kids in poverty; we have very lax laws when it comes to dealing with drugs and alcohol.



Citizens need some of their rights back which include the right to intervene in a fight without getting arrested. The right to discipline feral youths and the right to defend ourselves and our loved ones from potential harm.
checkmate
2011-07-30 13:28:29 UTC
I don't believe the answer is to cut the police force further which is what Cameron intends to do. Mind you, if the police stopped patrolling in pairs and started looking about them at the criminal and anti-social behaviour instead of chatting together, they might be more effective. The fact is those gangs have never respected anyone, neither parents nor teachers. They have not been brought up to consider anything other than the immediate fulfilment of their wishes and the demonstration of their power. Bad housing, bad education and bad role models and who is going to change that? And remember who it was that removed the Married Couples' Tax Allowance, driving another nail into the coffin of stable relationships and encouraging one parent families without support?
Sláinte xx'engaged'
2011-07-30 11:10:32 UTC
Yes I watched it, asked a q about this programme also last night..Wasn't it just awful, I was so upset watching that boy's funeral & the pain & heartbreak the family were going through........shocking that that other rival gang turned up, no respect for life or nothing........... am glad am back living here in Galway as quiet & none of that going on........... I loved London but feared for my son when he was a teenager there, he can go out & play here & is quiet where we are............... I think most of the trouble starts at home, parents not there for their children & half of them turn a blind eye .......... kids needs to be taught respect at home but god love them half the parents not a good example to start with........ I found that hard to watch last night...........so many young lives wasted & for what.............. nothing.......... too many are left to wander around from a young age & get up to all sorts & parents don't give a damn what they are doing, once they are not bothering them........... it has to start in the home bringing kids up with basic manners, respect for others.......but many have the attitude that they get from their parents............ a one parent family can be as good as a two parent family once the parent puts her child first........I know plenty of two parent families & the parents would be better off apart as the child listening to arguing non-stop......... some parents should never have kids as some are too selfish to change their lives once they have kids.........
2011-07-30 10:29:34 UTC
Hya Tigerlil.



There is thou not quite sure what its called.



Suffice to say that yes, i will say it, certain parts of society are forgotten /cast aside by govs to the point that these groups feel slighted or a sense of mistreatment so they fight back in the only way they know - violence.

Its the same witht the riots in greece the ppl feel letdown angry that they have to pay the price of failure of the Govs - I Guess we all are,

All the time the rich get richer the poor poorer this divide will only worsen - along with it the violence.



On top of all this having a very impotent police force Too focused on anti terrorism and not on simple crimes like burglary /theft, antisocial behaviour allow this behaviour to propagate.



It seems the police are only interested in big headline grabbing crimes. -and speeding motorists?



Sorry to knock the police .



Give criminals an inch and they will take a mile ?
Caroline T
2011-07-30 12:17:11 UTC
The thing is that because families are no longer strong units they once were, we are becoming more violent due to fathers abandoning their kids. I believe that if fathers stuck around and were good roles models then alot of this idle, dangerous nonsense wouldn't exist.



People can say what they want, but it does all come down to the way kids are raised.
11UN
2011-07-30 10:34:28 UTC
Disgusting.



But yes, there is a solution. Ten years imprisonment without a possibility of parole for those caught carrying a knife without good reason, and fifteen years imprisonment without a possibility of parole for those caught carrying a firearm without good reason.



If they want to fight they can do so inside away from the general population.



As far as I'm concerned if you carry a weapon around London you do so for one reason only, to kill.
2011-07-30 10:12:51 UTC
I did not see the documentary, but I understand in general, events of the world continue to spiral to violence and chaos. Yes, there is an answer but far too many people reject the answer because even though we humans clearly can't run the world properly, they still refuse the idea of being told what to do by a higher power.
*Queen Sheba*
2011-07-30 10:12:03 UTC
I'm from Bristol!

Luckily I don't go out at night :)

Unfortunately, there is not an answer to your question. Some people are cruel, nasty and vindictive, and there is no way to comprehend their actions.

The most ordinary, good, moral, law abiding people can do is keep their heads down and not be like the bad people.

I would like to say R.I.P. to the murder victims, and sorry.

Pixie

xxx
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2011-07-30 10:52:37 UTC
Kill them , Kill them all. Scum like that are a blight , a cancer , a tumor to be removed by the scalpel.


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