Question:
UK What are your thoughts on Asylum seekers in Cardiff being forced to wear wrist bands in order to get food?
corny, but still never was a cornflake girl
2016-01-25 04:02:53 UTC
A scheme in Cardiff where Asylum Seekers are forced t wear a wrist band in order to get meals has been scrapped. What are your thoughts on this

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-35397109
35 answers:
Land-shark
2016-01-25 04:15:18 UTC
Totally overblown nonsense. I wear a wrist band if I want to go to an event and use its facilities, sometimes even wear a lapel badge with my photo on it. Even put a Blue Badge on the car if transporting a disabled relative. This is NOTHING like the Jews being forced to wear a yellow star. To suggest it is is egregiously disingenuous and highly offensive too. Shame!
2016-01-25 16:06:48 UTC
I am not from the U.K. and very happy about that but I do feel some sentiment towards them because had it not been for the worlds most powerful nations England and Britian America never would have been settled to become the worlds greatest superpower and most advanced and powerful nation ever. Here's what I think. They don't want dark skinned people getting free food and service in the UK unless they are really refugees because that would seem logical.
Salty dog
2016-01-26 12:26:08 UTC
"Refugee Eric Ngalle, 36, told BBC Wales he spent nearly two months at Lynx House and challenged the need to wear the wrist bands, but was unable to change the policy."



This guy is probably seeking asylum on the grounds that he has been political-seduced, tortured, humiliated,threaten,beaten and all the rest of the excuses that are used.



He has probably paid smuggler a good sum of money to ferry him across the Straits of Gibraltar to Europa and finally to Britain, were he is now complaining about the food control system.



He could have saved himself and us the trouble. He could just have phoned us from North Africa, asked what the food allocation-situation and identification-system was like and if he thought that wearing a wristband was too humiliating, then he could have stayed where he was, because we don't wont him, we have enough of our own to look-after.



One can ask the question, are these peole really in need ?
Jimmy C
2016-01-26 15:11:19 UTC
Wrist bands are very practical, as those of us in civilised countries know, when we go to concerts, cruise ships or hotels in the sun. If these ungrateful migrants are complaining about the need to be identified in order to get free food, the wrist bands should be taken off and no freed stuff should be given to them. Then they should be sent back. They are far more trouble than they are worth and they are arriving from all over north africa and the middle east, cashing in on the migrant trail.
Outlook
2016-01-26 11:06:08 UTC
If a simple wrist band is necessary so that a humanitarian program can be conducted, I see nothing wrong with that. It's not like a yellow star or anything grotesque.
?
2016-01-25 14:32:18 UTC
They were given to prove a right to receive food. Otherwise anyone wanting a free meal would have turned up. Gratitude for help would have been a better response than complaints, however, I'm pleased to hear today that they are changing the bands for identity cards.
Guru Hank
2016-01-25 04:05:56 UTC
You have to wear a band to get in and out of a festival site too. These bands were for those entitled to free meals in a canteen. I smell an opportunistic journalist here.
2016-01-26 00:52:09 UTC
Fine let them not Wear Them, instead make them Pay for Food like every other British Family, That does not get Charity. You would think they'd be Grateful, Getting something for Nothing, Food, a Roof Rent fFee, Clothing, Free Education, Health Care.
2016-01-25 04:19:02 UTC
what's to stop me stealing a wrist band off an immigrant so I can get free food? they really haven't thought this through
vambo number six
2016-01-25 04:18:28 UTC
I don't see a problem with wearing a wristband. I've seen people wearing wristbands in fancy hotels to show that they've paid all-inclusive.
2016-01-26 03:55:50 UTC
I think its absurd that its being compared to the halocaust. You need some order and structure amongst chaos.

I understand that people may be targetted though by their wristbands so possibly something more inconspicuous would be better.

They could stamp people like they do in nightclubs and hotels, but that would most like by compared to the halocaust also.

Maybe documentation?



People need something don't they?
Stephen Barlow
2016-01-26 03:26:46 UTC
Free food and it's a good idea.It will also allow women and the rest of us to judge how safe they are if they come into contact with one of these creatures
robert43041
2016-01-26 08:34:58 UTC
You start to discriminate you just don't know where that will end (as with the red painted doors in some Brit town or other.
?
2016-01-25 13:16:07 UTC
these lot have been generously granted asylum here -- or they are getting considered for at the very least, they're getting free food ( & housing etc ), being provided for while their claim is processed & they're moaning because they're asked to wear a red wristband in order to receive it?



take Eric Ngalle in your link -- this is a bloke ( as per usual ) who has presumably fled from war or political persection in some african country, & he finds having to wear a wristband to get free food "stressful" & "labelling"?

yeah, sure...
2016-01-25 04:33:32 UTC
It was a stupid idea! It isn't the same as wristbands in hotels and festivals because there isn't the same problem of stigmatisation.
Skidoo
2016-01-25 04:10:16 UTC
It's one step away from sewing yellow stars on people, or yellow crescents perhaps. No reason they shouldn't have ID cards.
2016-01-28 06:50:38 UTC
You often have to wear wristbands to ride on fairgrounds and join music concerts !
2016-01-25 09:35:08 UTC
Ah, the poor dears, I bet they were forced to eat Western food too - oh the degradation of being a ponce !
2016-01-25 04:13:42 UTC
We survived the ISIS murder squads, the thousand mile trek, the capsized boats ... but nothing prepared us for Welsh wristband. It's gonna be a BLOODBATH.
cymry3jones
2016-01-25 06:37:43 UTC
Old news. The practice has been stopped. If the Brits weren't so violently opposed to ID cards, such measures would not be neccessary. Where I live we have ID cards, even the asylum seekers.
Shark
2016-01-25 16:24:18 UTC
I wear one at a resort that's all inclusive
flint
2016-01-25 06:08:02 UTC
I wear a wristband so does that entitle me to free food?. I doubt it
2016-01-25 05:58:32 UTC
I live half a mile from where they're staying,and all they do is hang about outside the hostel.

They ought to be chained and shackled,and made to work for their food.
?
2016-01-29 01:49:40 UTC
They should be wearing a ball and chain.
Comrade Bolshev
2016-01-25 08:08:15 UTC
I was horribly reminded of the Nazis forcing Jews to wear a yellow star.

Apart from which, why has this government of corrupt criminals outsourced this work to the bandit sector? Every penny of profit these bastards make is looted from you and me!
ketkonen
2016-01-25 07:06:45 UTC
Loada crap. Same system is used at Benidorm all-inclusives. And if that ain't stigmatisation I don't know what is.
2016-01-25 05:54:31 UTC
I guess it makes sure the right people get the food and do not cheat the system.
Gent
2016-01-25 06:01:20 UTC
Deport them,don't feed 'em.
Vulcan
2016-01-26 08:01:43 UTC
If they do not want to go with the program they can go hungry.
?
2016-01-25 08:34:56 UTC
They should be grateful they are getting food.
2016-01-25 09:57:58 UTC
It wouldn't be an issue if there weren't racist pricks who use the wristbands to identify people to harass and abuse.
2016-01-25 04:37:31 UTC
The problem is that they're being targeted for it by UKIP types, this would be like a white guy going around a black neighbourhood with 'ni**ers out' on his t-shirt
2016-01-25 06:50:02 UTC
i believe they shouldn't be in wales to begin with, they should all be deported back home, this isn't their home.
2016-01-25 05:11:11 UTC
Oh dear the poor poor immigrants playing the victim card yet again! There are lorries leaving everyday, they have a choice!
2016-01-25 05:54:17 UTC
As far as I can tell the elites are betting the farm on the following plan.



The free world doesn't trust Putin. Putin gets away with tons of stuff because Russia supplies so much natural gas to Europe that no one can really object too much of anything Putin does.



The Saudis and other Arab countries have plenty of natural gas but nowhere to pipe it to. Syria and Iraq stand between Europe and the Arab world. No one was going to run a pipeline through those two countries with those crazy rulers -- they're worse than Putin. That would have given them too much power.



http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/30/syria-chemical-attack-war-intervention-oil-gas-energy-pipelines



So Bush tries regime change in Iraq. Makes up weapons of mass destruction because he wants a pipeline. Fail.



So Obama tries to start something with Syria to push their government out. No one will support him, so he starts supporting the resistance. Then ISIS shows up and starts fighting Assad AND his resistance. Obama steps in and pretends to fight ISIS, but really only fights them if they fight the resistance. Assad is fair game. Obama wants the pipeline.



Putin sees Assad teetering and decides he has to annex Ukraine now. Once Assad falls, the Europeans might support fighting back. But as long as Assad is in power, Putin can grab what he thinks he needs.



Europe will meekly go along because they need the natural gas only Putin can supply.



The Saudis, of course, REALLY want the pipeline. So they decide to support Obama by lowering the price of gas, essentially ensuring the US economy remains robust so that we continue to support regime change in Syria. Basically, it has turned the US into Saudi mercenaries, at least in part.



This is why Obama repeatedly rejected the Keystone Pipeline between the US and Canada, which would have created countless Jobs for Americans. Canada then goes along with Obama, agreeing to accept thousands of refugees.



The refugees are the pawns in this game, meant to benefit the Saudis AND the Europeans. So Europe steps up and takes massive numbers of refugees. Why? Not because they are good guys, but if the war results in too big of a humanitarian crisis, the world populace, in the dark over all of this, will demand an end to the war and Assad will remain in power. So Germany, who will be the greatest beneficiary of stable supplies of gas, tells Greece, who owes Germany a lot of money, that they can get some serious financial concessions by accepting refugees. Greece complies.



Putin sees Assad teetering, and doesn't much care about him, but doesn't want the pipeline to be built. So Putin steps in to the war to defend Assad.



So all the world's major events come down to a pipeline VS no pipeline. They are all connected to it. The Saudis are "betting the farm" over it. The pipeline will represent untold billions of dollars for centuries.



In the last month, there was a catastrophic terrorist attack on a bus in Egypt, and a group of tourist was held hostage. From what we know at this point, the tourist were not the targets themselves, but pawns, meant to lure out security guards, who the group then attacked. In the United States, 2 men have been arrested after special investigators discovered their connections to international terrorism. Both men were found out through Social Media post they made while they were supporting various terrorist organizations overseas. In Iraq, a man was arrested after he was found to have supported ISIS.



Recently, there was a deadly terrorist attack in the capital of Indonesia. This confirms what many have suspected for some time, and I have been mentioning before this attacked even happened. There is an ISIS cell hiding in the eastern jungles of Indonesia and certain individuals are backing it. But most people fail to look at this from the big picture. This situation is just a small detail.



http://www.wsj.com/articles/multiple-explosions-hit-indonesian-capital-of-jakarta-1452746376



In Indonesia they have been arresting backers of ISIS who are hiding in eastern jungles. Indonesia believes that Saudi Arabia is responsible for ISIS. According to Indonesia, there are some members of the Saudi Family who they have not been able to control, who are sending support to the Jihadist.



The struggle is between the Sunni in Saudi Arabia, who are governed by a monarchy, and the family of the prophet Mohammad, the Shiites of Iran, who are governed by a supreme leader. This rivalry goes back hundreds of years to the start of Islam, but today, we see it with oil and missiles. Saudi Arabia is in a particular problem as all of sudden the Saudis are over extended, they have lost a great deal of money in Yemen, blocking what they see as a rebellion backed by Iran. Now they are in a transition period, having to adjust to lower oil prices, and this goes against the social contract of Saudi Arabia where they don't tax the people, ensure stability, and the ruling party doesn't ask for a vote. Since 1945 Saudi Arabia has seen the U.S as its protector. But that relationship has deteriorated since the Iran deal.



The P5+1 was a transfer of 150 billion dollars to gain Iran's favor. Iran doesn't have the fire power to invade Saudi Arabia.



This conflict goes back to the rivalry between the inner rim and the outer rim.



http://www.silkroadstudies.org/resources/pdf/Monographs/1006Rethinking-4.pdf



Civilization began in the inner rim, but suddenly the nations of the outer rim could dominate the world as they overpowered the inner rim with maritime power and the collapse of ancient empires in China and Turkey.



Japan was the China of the 19th century, from the ability of its leaders to see that the only way to succeed was by joining the outer rim powers. The Chinese shut out the Europeans and pretended these advanced societies weren’t happening when they landed on their doorstep. Japan overhauled their entire society to catch up with the Europeans.



By the 20th Century, the idea developed that using force to change frontiers was an idea of the past. Germany could be crushed between the power of Great Britain and Russia, and in the 20th Century they got it very wrong. The people on the outer rim were worried that Germany and Russia would come together and Crush them. The people on the inner rim were worried that Germany and the outer rim would come together and crush them.



Now, the inner rim has started to push back. India gains independence from Great Britain. Mao wins the civil war in China. But Iran hasn’t tried to do this yet. They have a rouge regime like that of Mao’s China. It depends on which way they lean, into the heartland, or compromise with the outer rim countries. Over the last few years the inner rim countries did not do good leaning in towards the heartland nations like Russia, they did better when they leaned towards the west. But leaning outwards to the west ‘Too much’ when your economy kicks off can be bad. They need to find a middle ground towards independence.



The Russian Empire ended on its own. It couldn’t update its ideology; and the people no longer supported its ideas. Now Russia feels very exposed and very threatened by the outer rim, these countries with huge economies, they have to build up a geological buffer between these places between Russia and Germany, like Crimea, to gain access to the Black Sea; Russia can’t afford to let the Baltic States lean to the West. That is why Russia is willing to take on these sanctions. They are looking to modernize weapon systems and intercept communications but they are not planning such meetings as the U.S does. Instead they are centralizing their appearance as forceful. The recent leaking of the design for a Russian missile meant to bypass IBM defenses by Russian TV was an inside job to assert Russia’s capabilities. The situation is most volatile in Ukraine as Russia projects more proxy fighters into the nation and more Submarines into the Baltics.



In Ukraine and Syria , the Russians have interjected themselves into an electronic stage, jamming radars, stealing communication data, using models such as flash points, and moving artillery.



http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/



Iran and Saudi Arabia do not like each other. In the event of a WW3 type situation, China would join Russia, and Japan would join the Outer rim. North Korea who has already tested a fission weapon would work with Iran to create more effective long range missiles. As of now, Iran does not have the firepower to take down Saudi Arabia.



In addition, most of the ISIS fighters are coming from Bosnia (300 per month), one of the Balkans states that Russia is trying to annex. Bosnia has a total population of approximately 4 million; and a Muslim demographic of 1.8 million.



Trump claims he'll ban all Muslims entering the U.S. Trump opposed the war in Iraq, and is silent on Putin. This is why Putin approves of him.


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